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Old 12-13-2005, 12:16 PM   #1
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I have been mainly doing Shrugs for working my neck traps, but was told that up right rows works the shoulders, and have'nt done them for mounths. Whats a good way to build them up? Have this other neck lifting thing that bends the head back with weight on it, that works the neck.
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I just do shrugs and they seem to work
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Close Grip Upright Rows and Shrugs seem to do it for me.

Forgot to mention this in the original post...I do shrugs supersetted with close grip uprights, using a 6-0-2 tempo for uprights (thats 6 seconds negative work, 0 seconds pause, 2 seconds positive work). It seems to be a very effective combination.

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My traps seem to be able to take and recover from a tremedous amount of work. Don't know how true that is for others.

I do them both, like Kane. You could try supersetting shrughs and high pulls or upright rows, I suppose.

High pulls will work your shoulders a little more. They are like upright rows but with a wide grip.

You could also try upping the frequency of you trap work if they don't respond the way you'd like.

Be VERY wary of direct neck work. Keep the weight light. Lighter than you think you need. The neck muscles should respond to very little work, but I would recommend against it on a regular basis. You could very easily end up with permanent injury. Also, you may not even be aware that you've injured your neck when it happens.
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db shrugs don't seem to do anything for me so i just stick to the bb shrugs with as much weight as i can handle

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HA! That actually got me laughing.

I've had a lot of success with power shrugs. I'm sure noone's heard to them. Basically, the only real difference between those and regular shrugs is that power shrugs have you using momentum. You lean forward more, using the swing upwards in your lower back to drive the weight up. It is a little cheat movement, but IMO necessary since my traps only respond best to a ton of weight. Doing these on one day, then deadlifts on another day suit me best. This way you'll have a higher frequency hitting your traps using different angles...Both with a lot of weight.

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Okay, so I've said before that regular shrugs are a piss waste of time. These are the best version out there and the best trap developer around. No one who has ever done these has ever once gone back to a regular shrug (at least I can't think of anyone and certainly no one that I've trained). Visible results in the mirror are guaranteed in 2-3 weeks. This exercise is very result producing as are all the olympic lift variations when it comes to back/trap development - the back was made for dynamic pulling. You'll need straps and you should start light and build up over a period of a few weeks. Higher rep ranges are fine (8-15) for these and I really think they lower weight for higher reps make these a good bit less taxing on the CNS than working down to 5s and 3s.

A bit on technique - first, the traditional starting position is high on the thighs with the knees flexed slightly and the torso also slightly forward with shoulders over the bar. My descriptions kind of alternate between this version and a variation done from a lower position (hang) just above the knees. Less weight can be used in the lower variation but for athletes not training the traditional olympic lifts and looking to accrue some benefits to explosion and longer range dynamic pulling similar to the clean this is a good variation for training. It's basically a heavy clean pull from the hang. So depending upon what you are looking for give these a shot.
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Shrugs/traps best exercise for big traps are power shrugs. take a barbell, hold it in front of you, SLIGHTLY bend knees and bend VERY SLIGHTLY at the hip. now violently extend the whole body and shrug. its basically a cheat shrug. try to hold for a split second at the top... you wont be able to but try. this exercise should be done with heavy weight. personally, ive used 800+ lbs for 10 reps. use as heavy a weight as you possibly can and still get a full shrug at the top. dont load up the bar all the way the first few sessions, or youll likely die. give yourself 3 or 4 sessions to work up to max weight.

Actually the former strength coach for FSU was a fan of the power shrug (heavy high pull from the hang position). I think a lot of the positive non-technique effects of the full and even power versions of the olympic lifts transfer very nicely with this movement. Plus, almost no time goes into teaching it since it is very easy from a technique standpoint (in addition, it works very well as a developer for explosion and power in the second portion of the pull).

As far as there not being any advantage to the the olympic lifts in sports - one can likely make a nice written defense to argue but anyone who has trained them for a period will strongly disagree. I'm of the opinion that the sport improvement stems from the CNS learning to generate maximal power in as short a duration as possible, sort of like torque on a car. Non-ballistic movements teach you to be strong over a period of several seconds rather than 1 second or less (2nd pull is where it's at). Sort of like a dragster vs. a road racer. The ability to generate maximal force as quickly as possible is the difference between a great lineman, running back, or puncher. Rarely is anyone called upon to exert strong force against a consistent object over a period of multiple seconds (even clashing linemen are constantly moving and adjusting) whereas the need for immediate maximal power is prevalent in just about every strength/power sport.

Yeah, elbows locked. When warming up the bar will obviously fly up with the explosion and force the elbows to flex but once sufficient weight is reached that won't be an issue. I generally prefer starting them with the bar just a bit above the knees. Some people like a higher hang but depending upon what you are going for starting from just above the knees allows you to hit just about everything in the second pull phase of the clean - nothing is in stone so one can experiment and augment according to their preferences and goals. I've also found this exercise very condusive and result producing higher rep ranges (8-15 is what I mean by this but low reps work very well too). Keep in mind anything over 5 is high reps for me so when I say something works well in the 8-15 range you can bet myself and others have had surprising results with it (higher rep range allows lighter weight which won't overload your lower back too much and potentially take away recovery from other exercises as a bonus). Obviously reps and lots of weight = straps. I don't know many who try to maintain a hookgrip for this but it is generally unsuccessful and a waste of effort and skin.

Overall effectiveness is very good for both sports, Olifting and even bodybuilding. I don't know of any exercise that can compare for upper back and trap stimulus. Even natural bodybuilders will see significant physique changes in about 4 weeks if they've never done this exercise. For sports, it is in my opinion the easiest as well as being one of the most effective ways to develop explosive power. For OLifting it helps dramatically strengthen the second pull and particularly helps full extension.

<Just another huge wordy post by me but to be honest the powershrug is a fantastic exercise and well worth it>.
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