Pain/soreness means you stressed the muscle, but that doesn't necessarily mean you've created an environment for growth.

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no do the flys like normal not light to warm up but actually to work it out...its what jay cutler does and im tellin you it works...so dont knock it til you try it

i'm guessing cutler and this guy have slightly different builds ;)

Jay Cutler can probably fly quite a bit more weight...

Regardless of what any of the pro's do, I'd stick with a compound over an isolation.

I do not think we should be emulating the pros' workouts. Until we are pros.

If I wanted to get into biking, I would not train the way the Tour de France guys do. I would train the way the Tour de France guys did when they were at my stage of fitness and experience.

And just because Jay Cutler says he does something in a magazine article or in a video, doesn't mean he incorporates it into his current (or even past) routines. If you were a pro bodybuilder, why would you broadcast to your (potentially) thousands of competitors your training secrets.

I can fly 100 lbs each arm haha...i wish....I'm gonna stick with the compounds for now...That workout I had this week felt great and I think it made a difference. Tried beefing my diet a little bit more. I brought some light peanut butter to my cube and i'm going to have a couple spoons of it along with my mid morning and mid afternoon kashi bars. Thanks for all the help lads!

Wow! I agree with this guy here... my understanding is that your muscles grow during your resting time... but you have to have intense workouts to force the muscles to grow... but you are probably way overdoing it if you want to get a bodybuilder's chest. I think your workout is great for athletes strength but not for bodybuildling... but that is me...

You got me there BG, rather then ripping dude apart for doing fly movements to build mass, i tried to come up with a reason to do them. Flys have thier place, perhaps to warm up and strech the muslces (you can get a better pec strech with flys then presses) but I personally wouldnt use them to build mass.

When I'm 290lbs and cant walk up a flight of steps without having to stop and catch my breath like Jay, then I'll do flys for mass.

You also have to be on ridiculous amounts of performance enhancing drugs to get the same effects as jay cutler. You probably also need amazing genetics like I'm sure all of those pro guys do. Don't compare apples to oranges.

IronWorker