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Old 01-18-2008, 07:47 AM   #11
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Aside from some whey protein nope. No variables that I can think of everything is constant.
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Old 01-18-2008, 10:32 AM   #12
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I think it's pretty common to be overstimulated after a workout for some people and there are probably many variables involved such as the high intensity of it as you alluded to. You've got all sorts of brain chemicals being released and so forth. It could also be that you are doing so much and it's a state of short-term overreaching. Yes, I've experienced this since I am an evening person so I like to workout late (relatively).

5x5 squats, deads, bench, and weighted pullups...I mean that's what I'd call overkill. For many people it's the kind of thing that will exhaust the body but put the mind on overdrive. A big cortisol response can also be a culprit there. If you are avoiding any postworkout nutrition then you have nothing to battle that.

Besides doing too much and the nutrition thing (which I don't know whether you do or not), if you go straight to bed right afterwards that's probably a waste. You'd be better off to have a little down-time rather than lying in bed for hours with no sleep.

I'd also recommend you try static stretching. The stretching can tend to do the opposite of the workout and relax you body and mind. Basica yoga does that also but I don't recommend yoga for strength people. I'm not saying stretching is for sure going to help but it won't hurt.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 01-18-2008, 12:37 PM   #13
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Would you recommend reducing the number of sets I do for deads or perhaps leaving some of the other's out?
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Old 01-18-2008, 12:44 PM   #14
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Yes, I would. All the work in the world won't do you much good if you aren't sleeping.

I was just thinking about this cortisol thing when I read your response. Now, like the others I've had workouts that resulted in me being ready to take a nap, lol, but I've also experienced what you have. I remember reading that your cortisol levels are supposed to drop like 90% between morining and night. Those low levels, among various other things, are needed to help you relax and unwind. It's a "stess' hormone and it's not there to help you sleep! Just the opposite. So, I think that could be a connection. But at the same time I don't want to overstate the whole cortisol thing because I think people have started to blow it out of proportion and say things like "you can never work out more than 45 minutes because cortisol will eat all your muscles", lol.
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Old 01-18-2008, 12:55 PM   #15
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I've heard it's possible to spontaneously combust if your in the gym when the long hand hits' that 46th minute so I make sure my a22 is out of there at exactly 45 ..lol

Once again, thanks for all your help guys. BTW eric your advice regarding changing up the grip on the bar during bench has helped me out tremendously. I've not had a bout with shoulder pain since i've changed up grip. How can something so miniscule make such a difference..i'll tell ya!
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Old 01-18-2008, 01:01 PM   #16
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No shit? That's great. I guess it's not so miniscule as it seems, as far as your shoulders are concerned

BTW, I didn't work out until 9 pm last night and I didn't get done until 11 pm. That's right! Two hours. I had other stuff to do and it was a low rep "strength day" which meant a series of single and doubles with whatever rest I needed. Plus something similar for pullups. Plus some db stuff and shoulder prehab then post workout stretching. If I tried to keep every workout I ever did to an hour or less then I would be placing very ridiculous limitations on my options. The time should fit the goals of the workout first and foremost, not some overstated 'one size fits all' bullshit about cortisol.

LOL, I saw Phil Phister on TV recently. Works out in the gym twice a week basically beating himself to death for hours on end. I personally am not going to say, Phil, you'd be stronger and bigger if you kept it to 45 minutes
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Old 01-18-2008, 01:30 PM   #17
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I'll pay you just to see you tell him that............

(Do not take the above statement as an actual agreement. No payment shall be made upon the fulfilment of this dare)

You know, I tend to question certain things myself. Don't get me wrong I'm not, by any standards, a know-it-all. Each year I learn that what I did the previous year was somewhat flawed and I expect next year to be no different. When it comes to lifting and building, in my personal experience, the failures have all taught me something. But regardless my point is this. Even with all those "failures" I grew to a degree, I progressed. Perhaps I'de be bigger/stronger now if I had done it differently but they did achieve a desired result. So when I hear no more than 45 minutes I take it into consideration and tend to use it as a guideline but if it exceeds that so be it.
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There is not amount of money that would make me take that bet, anyway. Although he's such a soft-spoken guy, he'd probably just ignore it.

I agree, and I just recently said something similar, about what you learn about yourself being much more important than other things. Now, this is getting off the subject of this thread but when it comes to "guidelines" I like to place them in categories of importance.

Many gudelines are a result of over-reactions. One thing you will always find is that most popular bodybuilding or strength related guidelines are the result of a pendulum that swings back and forth. It never ceases and stops in the middle, which is where most of the answers lay.
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