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Old 04-01-2008, 03:10 PM   #1
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Well I'm really getting a hate on for P.Rows. It seems like I don't get much stronger with them and they dont' feel very natural to me. I'm wondering if there is some other variations I should try for a while just to do something different. Or is there something that I could replace it that is totally different?

I'm really liking the looks of Power Cleans and the Snatch but I dont' know if these would replace a movement like the row.

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Old 04-01-2008, 03:17 PM   #2
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What seems to be your major catch on the P rows? Is it hurting, or just uncomfortable, or you're not progressing..?
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Old 04-01-2008, 03:27 PM   #3
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It doesn't hurt...but the form doesn't really feel natural to me at all. I also haven't been able to progress much. I guess I really haven't given it that much time but I'd rather do an exercise that I like doing if it'll give me similar benefits.

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Any row properly done will give you the benefits of a row properly done. Pick any and all rows you like except for fixed path machines (personal opinion) and go for it.

barbell rows "regular" or from floor
dumbell rows partial support or from incline bench
cable rows of any kind
even t-bar rows
supine rows
chest supported rows
head supported db rows


Look for progressin over time but the point of a row is not to become a row champion so don't sweat it like that. There is no use in plugging away at one row you are getting nowhere at. You will get better in general as time goes by but the trick is to be comfortable with good rowing technique regardless of what specific row you do.

Pendlay rows, for me, done in the way they were described to me, never did shit for me except irritate my mid back. All my regular row varieties I love and I cycle through them as I see fit.

"Pendlay" rows don't even seem to be the same row to everyone...but they are in an "overreaction" phase. Put them in the middle where all exercises belong and don't worry about it.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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I was thinkin about switching to dumbell rows.

There is a vid in 0311's journal of him doing rows where he picks the barbell off the floor kinda like a DL then rows it. Then he puts it all the way back down for each rep. Any advantage to that?
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I'm pretty sure he's doing Pendlay Rows...
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I'm pretty sure he's doing Pendlay Rows...
Yeah that ^^

If you can, link us to the vid. But it kinda sounds like 0311 was doing Pendlays.

How have YOU been doing them, IW?
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i like rotating between the dumbbell rows..and t-bars along with barbell rows...just try to get a nice little pause at the top...

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Kinda. They weren't anywhere near as strict as I usually do them. If the reps are really high, like I was aiming at, then I prefer to keep the weight really heavy, deload it on the floor between reps, and have a dynamic pull into my abs. My back rises up because I'm looking for maximum overload, and if I have to cheat a bit, I'm very happy to do so.

But when the reps are under 5, then my form is extremely strict. On my vids, you could see my back rising higher and higher as the reps went further and further down the line. Of course I was A LOT lower than most people who do NOT deload the bar between reps, which was all I was really after.

So if you're looking at my vid for that type of row, just picture everything staying the same, but my back NOT rising above being parallel to the deck.

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