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Old 10-12-2007, 09:27 AM   #11
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I agree with the statement about no exercise being safe. I just don't compare squats and goodmornings. I believe there simply is a bigger margin of danger in certain exercises regardless if you do them "right". I look at, for instance, upright rows with a barbell the same way. You can do them correctly and still screw up your shoulders and aphorisms, to me, are not as much a consideration as the individual and his or her particular set of circumstances.

So I should point out that I'm not disagreeing with GM's across the board but only as a corrective measure in a scenario of overactive lumbar erectors and underactive glutes and hams. I simply think, in that scenario there will have to already be a measure of correction before someone gets much out of the GM's. Regardless of how many people do them, I do feel that they seem to be recommended to way to general a training population. There of course are no exercises without dangers but there is a risk continuum and I don't think it's fair to lump everything together.

Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree .

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 10-17-2007, 06:41 PM   #12
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I agree with the statement about no exercise being safe. I just don't compare squats and goodmornings. I believe there simply is a bigger margin of danger in certain exercises regardless if you do them "right". I look at, for instance, upright rows with a barbell the same way. You can do them correctly and still screw up your shoulders and aphorisms, to me, are not as much a consideration as the individual and his or her particular set of circumstances.
I get your point - certainly there is a continuum of safe-dangerous exercises and GMs are certainly more dangerous than, for example, tricep kickbacks, but to throw them into the same category as upright rows is a little much IMO.

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So I should point out that I'm not disagreeing with GM's across the board but only as a corrective measure in a scenario of overactive lumbar erectors and underactive glutes and hams. I simply think, in that scenario there will have to already be a measure of correction before someone gets much out of the GM's. Regardless of how many people do them, I do feel that they seem to be recommended to way to general a training population. There of course are no exercises without dangers but there is a risk continuum and I don't think it's fair to lump everything together.

Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree .
The best way to improve your squat is to squat - I think we'd all agree with that at least. ;)
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I thought we were talking about corrective measures ;)

But in that case I think you can cut through a lot of people's squat problem with just more practice under the bar with emphais on greasing the squat groove (Pavel's term which I love) rather than just piling on weight as quickly as possible at all costs. Not too many will want to agree with that, I bet . Most want to have their cake and eat it too.

I didn't really mean to put upright rows and goodmorings into the same category. I agree with you there. I meant more that I would compare, upright rows with other exercises one could do for the same purpose to greater avail and much safer for the shoulders. And I would compare goodmorings, for a varied crowd of trainees, to other exercises that could be done, etc. and so on. But I completely agree and recognize that a guy with good shoulders could get BAD shoulders form uprights whereas a guy who was strong enough, etc. could do GM's very successfully without getting a problem. So I shouldn't have used the two in a direct comparison.
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But in that case I think you can cut through a lot of people's squat problem with just more practice under the bar with emphais on greasing the squat groove (Pavel's term which I love) rather than just piling on weight as quickly as possible at all costs. Not too many will want to agree with that, I bet . Most want to have their cake and eat it too.
Everyone's looking for the Holy Grail of routines or exercises that is going to propel them into greatness. After you've been training for a while, you realize that it doesn't exist - we keep looking though...

Here's something I picked up from Dr. Squat once a number of years ago on his forum that I think is relevant here. It's one of my favorites and newbies who have any aspirations of greatness should take it to heart:
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In order to achieve ANYTHING in life to the pinnacle of your capabilities, you must 'marry' the thing! Become a 'priest' to it. Live, eat, sleep and breathe it! You MUST NOT succumb to sleeperdom and meander from one routine to another in the false hope that one of them is gonna 'work'. It will not! You may get a quick fix from it, but it'll only be because you re-injected some adaptive stress into your routine.

Do this instead. THINK IT OUT!

Now, most lifters cannot do this because they are not educated in the discipline, and because they have never been taught to REALLY think things through! So, the alternative is to find yourself a bonafide guru who HAS, and hang your hat on what that person has to say! So, find one! ONE!
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