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Old 02-26-2006, 08:19 PM   #11
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Split routines first began to rear their ugly little heads sometime in the late 50s or early 60s, around the time that steroid use was really becoming widespread in the bodybuilding and lifting communities. A coincidence?
I was thinking about this thread for a while. Back in the 1920's through the early 1960's there was some pretty big bodybuilders...Nothing close to today's Olympia standards (ie. heavy steroids, hgh, ect), but still pretty big considering their limited knowledge about nutrition and virtually no supplements. Today, we have a ton of supplements that are still "all natural" such as creatine, various powder proteins, a vast quantity of vitamins, ect. I personally could imagine those old bodybuilders using today's supplements with their full body routines being twice the size they were. So, why would natural bodybuilders try to do the "Coleman" back routine or any other 5 or 6 day split that all the pro's use? It really makes no sense. I've tried a few 4-5 day splits starting out only because I didn't know any better..Both about science and about bodybuilding in general

What do you guys think? Does this make sense?


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Perhaps some examples through the years are in order.

Alan Calvert, from his ‘First Course in Body-Building and Muscle-Developing Exercises’, 1924, included the following drills in his program: Standing Curls, Bent-Over Rows, Standing Press Behind Neck, Stiff-Arm Pullovers, Weighted Situps, Overhead Press while seated on the floor, Straddle Lifts, Shrugs, Squats up on the toes, One-Arm Press/Side Press, One-Arm Swings, and a strange type of Supported, Bent-Over One-Arm Reverse Curl.

Mark Hamilton Berry, from his ‘First Course in Physical Improvement and Muscle Developing Exercises’, circa ~1936: Standing Curl, Floor Press, Bent Rows, Standing Press Behind Neck, Two-Arm Pullovers, Squats, Shrugs, Straddle Lifts, Weighted Situp, One-Arm Press/Side Press, One-Arm KB Swing, Wrist Roller, Wrestler’s Bridge, Reverse Curl, Military Press.

Harry Barton Paschall, ‘The Bosco System of Progressive Physical Training’, 1954: (Program 1: Bodybuilding) Upright Rows, Standing Press, Standing Curls, Bent Rows, Squats, Pullovers, Calf Raise, Stiff-Legged Deadlift/Shrug combination drill, Side Bends, DB Circles, Weighted Situps, and Leg Swings; (Program 2: Weight Gaining) Clean and Press, Standing Curls, Bent Rows, Bench Press, Squat, and Chest Lifts.

John McCallum, from his Keys to Progress series, circa the mid-1960s: (An article titled ‘For Size and Strength’) Prone Hyper-Extensions, Squats and Pullovers, Front Squats, Bench Press, Power Cleans, Rowing, Press Behind Neck, Incline Curls.

You will notice that none of these programs are split routines

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Old 02-27-2006, 08:05 AM   #12
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Yes.
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I've tried a few 4-5 day splits starting out only because I didn't know any better..Both about science and about bodybuilding in general
i know what i know because of you... atleast 85% of what i know... the rest i secretly fabricated and it turned out to be true...

thanks btw...

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Hey all. In light of all the confusion lately, I'd like to give this a very big BUMP. Someone's killing bodybuilding with his posting lately. Hopefully he'll have questions to LEARN something from all us "newbs"....
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Enjoyed reading through this. Forgive me if I drift a little off topic but I hope this will help and encourage someone.

I read the muscle mags in the 1980s but today they are the last thing I would read.
I started training in 1982 I was 19 years old I trained my whole body for an hour 3 times per week Monday, Wednesday and Friday and I entered the Mr Ireland contest two years later I had a good proportioned natural physique and I beat guys bigger than me coming third in my class and i got a nice trophy. Let me state I never took steroids of any type and I never will I have always been 100% clean.
I thought to myself I can do better than this next year so I decided to go on a split routine involving high intensity training as advocated in the Mags by Pros After six months killing myself in the gym I started getting severe pains in my head I ended up in the Royal Victoria Hospital in Belfast getting a brain scan. Thankfully I was clear but they kept me in for a few days and advised me to rest for a few weeks and to cut back on my training. Ill return to training for the normal guy later.

I became totally disillusioned trained less and less up until 1988 when I ceased training completely. To me Bodybuilding was about health and fitness I became sickened that my association NABBA tollerated steroid use. In my time I have met Mr Universe and Mr Olympia contestants when they visited Belfast I could name who won what back then but for the past 20 years I switched off completely I had no idea who was Mr Olympia and only heard of Ronnie Coleman for the first time last month as I searched for information on the net I watched this very clip on utube my jaw hit the floor.


This guy has probably many fans on here but to me he looks like a freak. In my opinion the most perfect male Bodybuilder was Steve Reeves He was perfectly proportioned . Coleman just looks like a carton character from a marvel comic to me. You can check what size you should be here

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/calbs.htm

Im now back in training and making very rapid progress here is my routine one easy warm up before each set.


All exercises for one set only using High intensity to absolute failure

Lateral Raises 6-10 reps
Dumbbell Shrugs 6-10 reps

Incline Machine Bench Press 6-10 reps
Dips 6-10 reps
Pec Dec Flye 6-10 reps

Lat Pulldowns (Front) 6-10 reps
Lat Pulldown (Back) 6-10 reps
Rowing 6-10 reps

Squats 8-10 reps
Leg Extensions 8-12 reps
Calf Raises 15-20 reps

Leg Raises Max

Triceps Pulldowns 6-10 reps
Incline Dumbbell Curls 6-10 reps
Seated Dumbbell Concentration curls 6-10 reps

Running on treadmill for 2 kilometres within 15 minutes

That it and its working for me big time id add overhead presses but they hurt my shoulder.

Training Total body is the way to go your body needs time to recover and dont put crap into your body. Stay Natural.
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In my opinion the most perfect male Bodybuilder was Steve Reeves He was perfectly proportioned
I agree entirely. He had an awesome, AESTHETIC, physique.
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I agree entirely. He had an awesome, AESTHETIC, physique.

And with little of the supplements that we have today . Most of these guys before the 1960s trained total body three days per week if anyone is not genetically gifted training twice per week say Monday and Thursday for around an hour is best. I know people who have made great gains on 2 workouts per week. I got nowhere when I used a split routine.

John Grimek was another old timer with a superb physique Heres an article where a guy speaks of Reeves telling him in 1977 of his fears for the future of the sport.

http://www.mariostrong.com/anabolic.html

I found it incredible tonight when I read that some of these guys are dead I met and saw Johny Fuller and Ray Mentzer Pose Unbelievable that his brother Mike has also passed away and Edwardo Kawak Im not passing judgment some may be because of steroids use some not Im just shocked as I have just found out by reading that article tonight. Im Genuinely saddened.
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You can't really prescribe a "best" way for someone's entire training career. The fact is that people fail to realize that their needs and tolerances change as their training age changes. Trying to do the same training year after year, no matter what it is is just as responsible for lack of consistent progress as the taining itself.

That is not to say that people need to make broad sweeping changes all the time but they do need to be able to adapt their training to their changing needs as they go along. And those needs of course are going to be based on their goals as well.

Not to be raining on anyone's parade, but not many are going to be able to get bigger and bigger throughout an entire career JUST doing fullbodies anymore than most average trainees will do well on bodypart splits starting out as compared to fullbody.

A bigger problem, imho, than the trends in training are people's need to go from one extreme to the other. Training 6 days a week on a bodypart split is bad so therefore training 2 to 3 days per week is "best". There is not one best way. We go around saying "2 or 3 days is best" which is an OVERREACTION and pretty soon, due to it not being the best for everyone you'll get an UNDERREACTION and everybody will be doing bodypart splits again. Avoid both over and underreaction....realize that the answer is based on the individual and likely lies somewhere in the middle.

And when it comes to splits, you have to rate them on a continuum. Not all splits are created equal. The ever popular westside is a "split". A split can still be high frequency and proper distribution of volume. And that is the key...the distribution. Fullbodies are great when their great. I myself cannot really make do with a fullbody anymore. Even if I try it requires way too much manipulation. And upper lower or some other split with similar distrbution works best for me...especially my needs for continued strength gains and needing maximal work.

People keep mentioning supplements and we certainly have a lot more help on that front. Especially help meeting our protein needs. But we also have a whole lot more knowledge when it comes to nutrition as well.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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