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Old 04-06-2008, 11:01 AM
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Well it is certainly true that there is not a magical cutoff between strength and mass for any one person. And it depends on many more factors as Kane said.

But what you may want to consider, and what people usually fail to consider when it comes to strength is how close you are working to your maximal ability on any given day.

All that pyrammiding is simply falling short of the most effective means of either goal, strength or mass. NOT that these goals in the end aren't tied together intimimately provided you eat and aren't a genetic freak who can be skinny and mega-strong at the same time (yes, they exist ).

Thirty reps is endurance no matter what your personal goal of doing it is. But it begs the question. What WERE the goals of this workout? You certainly had a lot left at the end.

Since you were using singles and doubles in there you could have gotten a much better strength workout by working up to a fairly heavy single or double and then banging out a good number of them in that range. If you can test your max for that day or if you can estimate it well that may help. It would have been much more effective to just keep working heavy instead of the pyrammiding up and down.

Then when you are finished with the strength work you do some backoffs at some median range, according to your individual tolerance, which may be somewhere between 65% to 75% or your working range for that day.

Static stretching basically puts your nervous system to sleep. It can and will reduce strength by up to 40% if not more and this effect can last 4 or more hours. Definitely a potential for injury involved and for the more technical exercises this can be a downright dongerous combo. And certainly not a way to display maximal ability and control.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 04-07-2008, 02:18 PM
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Patsfan, I am a novice bodybuilder. I have followed the suggestions the other members have given me, and I have seen the best results in my life (for me, anyway). You should not listen too much to the people at the gym. A lot of things they say are rumors, hear-say, and sometimes, just made up. I used to think (a LONG time ago) that doing a 33 rep set (what I could do) with moderately heavy weights would make me stronger. I was such a fool. I have talked to a lot of entry-level pros, and alot of times, they just repeat the same, often useless strategies. Here, I have gotten nothing but great ideas, and inspiration.
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Old 04-08-2008, 03:50 AM
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I know a lot of people tend to gravitate to the largest, strongest person in the gym and ask for advice. However, what works for one person may not necessarily be the best option for another. This means advice about training, diet, supplementation, etc. should be tailored to the individual in order to help them out.

This site is absolutely fantastic for this and there are a lot of people here with a lot of experience so please when you ask for advice do not try to come off as too cocky. Remember, for the average person working out, they get bigger not necessarily because of their training but often in spite of it.

Good luck on meeting your goals and please do not get caught up with the "6 reps is where mass building begins..."
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Old 04-11-2008, 06:03 AM
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he's left. Kane: you scared him away....tsk tsk....



lol...
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thats not true. 6 reps is where mass gaining begins, 5 is for strength. and i was trying to just pump as much blood into my legs as possible after my full workout.


And a great workout involves using the Shift key to make capital letters. It's an often overlooked way of working the forearms.
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Old 04-11-2008, 08:22 AM
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he's left. Kane: you scared him away....tsk tsk....



lol...

Ah well. No love lost here.

You won't make it far in this lifestyle by keeping a rigid or closed mind. Especially when your mind is closed with the wrong information Why pose a question if you already 'know' the answer?
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Old 04-11-2008, 09:08 AM
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Ah well. No love lost here.

You won't make it far in this lifestyle by keeping a rigid or closed mind. Especially when your mind is closed with the wrong information Why pose a question if you already 'know' the answer?
I could not agree more.
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Old 04-11-2008, 10:31 AM
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Ah well. No love lost here.

You won't make it far in this lifestyle by keeping a rigid or closed mind. Especially when your mind is closed with the wrong information Why pose a question if you already 'know' the answer?
because some people feel the need to have praises showered on them and many pats on the back of acknowledgement and appreciation. they do this for others. not for themselves. i feel you and i feel sorry for those people.
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Old 04-11-2008, 03:04 PM
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u guys didnt scare me away i just haven't had ne tiime at all lately. I thank you all for your input.
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