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Old 04-05-2008, 04:30 PM
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today for squats i did
1 warm up set
5x275
3x295
2x315
1x335
2x305
3x275
5x225
30x135

is that too much? by the way these are olympic squats
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Old 04-05-2008, 04:54 PM
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Yes.

And 1 Warm-up set? You should take a look at the 'How to Warm Up/Are You Warming Up Properly?' Sticky
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Old 04-05-2008, 05:06 PM
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and i stretch before and after the workout.

y is it too much? i have heard from many people that with legs you can push them really hard and there will b no negative consequences
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Old 04-05-2008, 05:23 PM
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and i stretch before and after the workout.

y is it too much? i have heard from many people that with legs you can push them really hard and there will b no negative consequences
Stretching before is not good. Despite what many people think, static stretching before a workout will reduce strength in the muscle and can cause more injuries than without stretching. Plus most of the exercises you perform are within the normal range of motion, and most athletic/sports injuries are outside of the normal range of motion (which is why you stretch before those and even then static is not as good as dynamic but I won't get into that). It's better to warm up than it is to stretch, in the case of weight training.

Look at what you did for legs. You acclimated to a peak of 335x1 (max intensity for that day) then you dropped the intensity down and eventually killed it with the 135x30. You did sort of a low-med-high-med-verylow range of intensity, basically a pyramid. When you did these squats what were you trying to accomplish? It's a mix of 'strength', 'mass', and 'endurance' rolled into one.

Saying that you heard something from many people doesn't really fly well
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These "people" are probably ones who have only ever done leg presses . Their consequences will either come or they will be lucky and other people will pay the consequences for listening to them.

And "negative" can mean different things to different people. Some people think that the inability to use you legs for a week or more is a POSITIVE consequence, for instance.

Squats affect everything under the bar not just legs. Your spine gets to pay for it as well.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Stretching before is not good. When you did these squats what were you trying to accomplish? It's a mix of 'strength', 'mass', and 'endurance' rolled into one.

Saying that you heard something from many people doesn't really fly well
thats not true. 6 reps is where mass gaining begins, 5 is for strength. and i was trying to just pump as much blood into my legs as possible after my full workout.
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thats not true. 6 reps is where mass gaining begins, 5 is for strength. .
Oh no... here we go again.
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i thought 3.25 reps was for strength :(
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Old 04-05-2008, 07:46 PM
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thats not true. 6 reps is where mass gaining begins, 5 is for strength. and i was trying to just pump as much blood into my legs as possible after my full workout.
If you're referring to the stretching thing not being true, then you need to read the stretching articles on the site.

There is no magic number where 'strength' changes to 'mass'. It could be 5, could be 6, could be 7....definitely not 6 and that's it. And 5 being for strength... What about a 5x5 compared to a 1x6? Which one is more for 'strength' and which is 'mass'? And the way you had your squatting set up, you weren't doing much for strength by doing that pyramid setup. Unless you purposely loaded less weight on the bar after your single, you showed a decrease in strength. You did 10lbs less for your second double, 20 less for your triple and 50 less for your 5 rep set.

There was already a big discussion on pumping blood into your muscles on here. I think Eric summed up the concept of it quite nicely.

I'm not trying to pick on you or anything and I'm sorry if you felt like I did that, but you asked a question and I'm just trying to impart some of my knowledge to you.
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Old 04-06-2008, 04:07 AM
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i no your not like making fun of me your trying to help. im just trying to represent my views. thanks for your help
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