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Old 06-19-2008, 06:02 AM   #21
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Well Wolf does have a point there. A guy who is most likely a beginner has no place doing an advanced bodybuilding program. He should be focusing on bringing up his big 3 by 100lbs each and then see what size he's put on.

Anyways, that guys looks very very good for 40 and especially if he really is all natural. He is very accomplished but it is also good to mention that what works for him won't work for everyone. He is obviously more advanced and being of a very different age even makes a big difference too.

A novice lifter shouldn't focus on "inner chest development" or "bicep peak" or anything like that. Just focus on getting strong and everything will get bigger.

*edit* Some bad spelling in there...lol *edit*

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Old 06-19-2008, 06:17 AM   #22
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Well Wolf does have a point there. A guy who is most likely a beginner has no place doing an advanced bodybuilding program. He should be focusing on bringing up his big 3 by 100lbs each and then see what size he's put on.

Anyways, that guys looks very very good for 40 and especially if he really is all natural. He is very accomplished but it is also good to mention that what works for him won't work for everyone. He is obviously more advanced and being of a very different age even makes a big difference too.

A novice lifter shouldn't focus on "inner chest development" or "bicep peak" or anything like that. Just focus on getting strong and everything with get bigger.

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well said. i also agree that the guy looks in tip-top conditioning and is impressive....however, what i bolded out in your post needs to be taken into consideration.

infact, this is why i even had my rant..

i asked him for his weight and height, he gave the reply, then gymrat said

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try and e-z bar incline...it works and you really feel it up there
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And thus the myth propagates forward to more readers...
which is why i went on my rant.

plus, what gymrat suggested is not new....these type of variations are known by a lot of people. however, if you tell a gullible beginner to start doing more chest work by using an incline variation, when instead he should be focussing on his squats, deadlifts and bench press, you are misleading him. this is irresponsible behavior and that is why i got annoyed.

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but even after being called out, and called a liar, Gymrat seems to have kept his cool, and not taken this to a personal level. I think learning needs to take place on all sides on this one.

this is not about whether the 40 year old dude has credibility or not. this is about posting something wrong and misleading and having the gullible OP lap it up because he knows no better and then end up making him run around in circles.

i don't care if rat boy took it on a personal level or not...we were not discussing the effectiveness of the incline ez bar press. we are discussing the importance of exercise selection in general for the OP who weighs 155 lbs.

the OP needs to eat more, focus more on his big 3 and see what happens. he is at the stage where strength = size more or less so he must take advantage of that.

you missed the point of my rant. it was regarding new people to the sport being mislead by knowledge yet mis-informed other people.
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and im not saying that the chest is not one muscle because it is...but you can do differnt movements to stimulate the fibers more in one area than another
How so? A muscle is similar to a rubber band. it can only be pulled from its attachment points. Can you pull a rubber band such as to stress part of it more than another?

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this is not about whether the 40 year old dude has credibility or not. this is about posting something wrong and misleading and having the gullible OP lap it up because he knows no better and then end up making him run around in circles.

i don't care if rat boy took it on a personal level or not...we were not discussing the effectiveness of the incline ez bar press. we are discussing the importance of exercise selection in general for the OP who weighs 155 lbs.

the OP needs to eat more, focus more on his big 3 and see what happens. he is at the stage where strength = size more or less so he must take advantage of that.

you missed the point of my rant. it was regarding new people to the sport being mislead by knowledge yet mis-informed other people.

You are completely missing the point anuj.

You brought raley's credibility into question, and I corrected you.

You went on a rant about newbs, and mis-information, and thats fine. But there are much more constructive ways to get your point across, just look at what drallen posted, I'm sure eric and sleazy didnt rant and flame him, but he now understands that the chest is one muscle that grows as such.

You need to relax, and understand we are all still learning, you of all people should know this.

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hahah your a funny dude Brad.
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You are completely missing the point anuj.

You brought raley's credibility into question, and I corrected you.

You went on a rant about newbs, and mis-information, and thats fine. But there are much more constructive ways to get your point across, just look at what drallen posted, I'm sure eric and sleazy didnt rant and flame him, but he now understands that the chest is one muscle that grows as such.

You need to relax, and understand we are all still learning, you of all people should know this.
alrighty. i understand. my bad. je suis desole. i'm sorry, boys...

i understand where you're coming from. i apologize for making this into a personality thingy. its time i be more productive.
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^^ no worries anuj, it happens to the best of us.
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^^ no worries anuj, it happens to the best of us.
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