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Old 06-17-2008, 04:01 PM   #11
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Not just the trainer...he does. That seems ridiculous to me.

Sounds like you really couldn't give a crap about your strength/muscle mass. In which case I would just say don't eat anything at all and you'll soon shed fat/muscle/water and maybe even some hair, bone and skin. lol That way you'll hit that magical 170lbs that you're after. I don't know why you're so obsessed on that number. ( if you couldn't tell, this is absolute sarcasm...don't do this)

You are wrong in thinking you have to lose muscle mass while you lose fat. You can maitain your muscle mass if you take it slow and eat right while maintaining a good workout program.

Oh ya, it looks like your protein is actually not that high. I would count it up and find out what it is. But you should be at a minimum of 200g protein per day.


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Not just the trainer...he does. That seems ridiculous to me.

Sounds like you really couldn't give a crap about your strength/muscle mass. In which case I would just say don't eat anything at all and you'll soon shed fat/muscle/water and maybe even some hair, bone and skin. lol That way you'll hit that magical 170lbs that you're after. I don't know why you're so obsessed on that number. ( if you couldn't tell, this is absolute sarcasm...don't do this)

You are wrong in thinking you have to lose muscle mass while you lose fat. You can maitain your muscle mass if you take it slow and eat right while maintaining a good workout program.

Oh ya, it looks like your protein is actually not that high. I would count it up and find out what it is. But you should be at a minimum of 200g protein per day.


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Old 06-17-2008, 06:10 PM   #13
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For the sake of playing Devil's advocate...

It's not the trainer's fault, the trainer provides a means to reach the client's goal. A good trainer would probably advise against losing muscle mass to achieve your goal though.

If the OP has large legs and would look very disproportionate once he's shed some upper body fat, then maybe he just wants to lose some mass for the sake of symmetry. We tell the golf tee's to start squatting and deadlifting because they've got little chicken legs that don't match their much larger upper body. We tell them to add mass to their lower body to proportion themselves out (among other things of course), so why can't someone lose muscle to proportion themselves out. Not everyone trains for mass or strength.

I'm not saying that deliberately losing muscle is a good plan of action or something that I would ever do, but I don't think it's as big a deal or as absurd as it's being made out to be.

It's good to have a goal, and saying 'I want to reach X lbs bodyweight' is much better than saying 'I want to lose some weight'

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lmao yea yea yea i kno i kno
the girlfriend doesnt like them, especially since my 1 thigh is almost as wide as 2 of hers lol
they kinda get in the way ..so no biggie to me to lose some of my immense legs
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Not just the trainer...he does. That seems ridiculous to me.

Sounds like you really couldn't give a crap about your strength/muscle mass. In which case I would just say don't eat anything at all and you'll soon shed fat/muscle/water and maybe even some hair, bone and skin. lol That way you'll hit that magical 170lbs that you're after. I don't know why you're so obsessed on that number. ( if you couldn't tell, this is absolute sarcasm...don't do this)

You are wrong in thinking you have to lose muscle mass while you lose fat. You can maitain your muscle mass if you take it slow and eat right while maintaining a good workout program.

Oh ya, it looks like your protein is actually not that high. I would count it up and find out what it is. But you should be at a minimum of 200g protein per day.


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lol ...thanks... ill up the protein, but ive heard diff stories from diff people... some tell me that having a high protein diet turns itself into fat deposits if not used

and i want to get to the 170lbs area, mainly because at my height (5'7")...@194lbs im technically obese, even with the considerable amount of muscle nd strength i have ...Rutgers University food wasnt always health conscience in the food courts and well, studying til 3,4am didnt help either
only problem is, even the way i eat and the training i put myself through, ill go from 194 one week to 189 the following and then 195 the next week WHILE still following the same regimen... I EVEN CUT OUT ALCOHOL lol
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lol ...thanks... ill up the protein, but ive heard diff stories from diff people... some tell me that having a high protein diet turns itself into fat deposits if not used

and i want to get to the 170lbs area, mainly because at my height (5'7")...@194lbs im technically obese, even with the considerable amount of muscle nd strength i have ...Rutgers University food wasnt always health conscience in the food courts and well, studying til 3,4am didnt help either
only problem is, even the way i eat and the training i put myself through, ill go from 194 one week to 189 the following and then 195 the next week WHILE still following the same regimen... I EVEN CUT OUT ALCOHOL lol
Protein is less likely to turn into fat than carbs and fat. People are not smart.

I'm "obese" also, but I saw my abs when I looked in the mirror this morning. If you have ever looked at weights in your life, then you're probably "obese". Just be happy and healthy and you'll be doing great. IMO, so long as you're healthy, then that's what's important. Health ---> happiness. I suppose 170lbs ---> happiness also.

Try to get as much sleep as you can and try to keep your schedule as static as possible. Go to the store and get some healthy food to snack on throughout the day. That will make a huge difference.

Good luck

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the girlfriend doesnt like them, especially since my 1 thigh is almost as wide as 2 of hers lol
they kinda get in the way ..so no biggie to me to lose some of my immense legs
Haha I thought it was funny/crazy...that's why I put that smiley down. First time I've seen someone want to lose muscle mass on a bodybuilding forum. It's cool though. I understand because I've met people that are the same way. It's a personal choice. Good luck...losing...your m-m-m-muscle..m-m-m-masss. There, I said it.
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Protein is less likely to turn into fat than carbs and fat. People are not smart.

I'm "obese" also, but I saw my abs when I looked in the mirror this morning. If you have ever looked at weights in your life, then you're probably "obese". Just be happy and healthy and you'll be doing great. IMO, so long as you're healthy, then that's what's important. Health ---> happiness. I suppose 170lbs ---> happiness also.

Try to get as much sleep as you can and try to keep your schedule as static as possible. Go to the store and get some healthy food to snack on throughout the day. That will make a huge difference.

Good luck
according to a physical the nurse at the gym did before i started, i have 23% body fat... i got my top 2 abs coming in and obliques on their way... i understand what u mean by "If you have ever looked at weights in your life, then you're probably "obese""...id love to stay around the 180-190 area but def want to lower my BF%
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Haha I thought it was funny/crazy...that's why I put that smiley down. First time I've seen someone want to lose muscle mass on a bodybuilding forum. It's cool though. I understand because I've met people that are the same way. It's a personal choice. Good luck...losing...your m-m-m-muscle..m-m-m-masss. There, I said it.
lol thanks for understanding
most of my life i was always "thunder thighs" anyways, so ive always had big legs either bc of weight or muscle
either they were chunky or i was able to leg press 900lbs
@ age 15 i weighed almost 225
@ age 16 i was diagnosed with a heart murmur
@ age 17-18, constant cardio got me to 170lbs
@ latter half of 18 in college i enjoyed the late night food, beer, and studying til 4am waaaaaaaay too much lol to get me to 200 again
@ age 22, currently, been working out again for the last 7months to lose some BF and gain muscle back... but finally putting some extra effort after joining a gym in the beginning of June
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