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Alright, here is the some info on PGF2a:
Is PGF2A for me?

by Easto on premiermuscle


Well, this is one of them, created by Ranger from Elite Fitness. This is a great article covering a lot of topics on PGF2A, a product that doesn't have too much information on it. Like insulin and growth hormone, this is not for beginners, and as you read, you will understand why. Thank you Ranger for the article.

Is PGF2A for me?

Is PGF2A for everyone? Clearly not! Will it work? Yes! In this information, I will try to cover as much as possible about this drug. What I have put together here is based much upon personal experiences…. I feel no report can accurately prepare you for everything…. PGF2A is no exception!

Contributing to this information is Big Brother Val, Ranger, Jeff rys, BigDawg, and E2 for the reports he has sent all of us. I also used some text from Mr. Nobody, and Efigy…. Thank you all for your patience!

I'll try to add some humor from time to time to keep this as dull free as possible….so bear with me.

PGF2A and Anabolism.

Many studies have demonstrated an anabolic effect of PGF2A in skeletal muscles of both humans and animals. Paradoxically, PGF2A usage is still reserved to a bodybuilding elite and no one is willing to divulge the precious secret edge. One of the most remarkable effects of PGF2A is that it mediates the major part of the anabolic effects of insulin. By using PGF2A, you can use far less insulin and get a far stronger muscle building effect.

Is PGF2A safe?

The answer is clearly no, but neither is the use of steroids, insulin, clenbuterol, etc. By the way, PGF2A is invisible at any drug test. What kind of side effects to expect? The first ones -- if we except the elevation of temperature -- are that it will empty your guts of whatever they contain. So make sure you have unrestricted use of a bathroom. This is going to last around 20 minutes. What you do not want is to inject PGF2A into a vein! Learn to do the aspiration test. PGF2A is to be injected intramuscularly with an insulin needle if you are lean enough. This is going to hurt like hell and for a very long time (up to an hour) if you inject into a vein. You also may feel as if you had some kind of cold in your throat. It is due to the vasoconstriction effect PGF2A has in your lungs. Vomiting is a reported side effect but I have never heard of it in men.

PGF2A is not to be confused with steroids.

You've probably realized by now that PGF2A produces growth in a radically different way from steroids -- although I do not exclude that part of the anabolic actions of androgens are mediated by a local release of PGF2A. The way PGF2A should be used is therefore radically different from that of androgens. Steroid use is rather comfortable. You inject or swallow them occasionally and wait for the growth to occur. This is not the case with PGF2A. Their main drawback is precisely their difficulty of administration. Steroids once injected survive several days in your body. PGF2A will last only several minutes though their stimulatory actions on anabolism will be far longer lasting (hours). It means that frequent injections are compulsory. Ideally, this would be five times per day, 30 minutes after meals.
You will also notice that once you have injected PGF2A, the muscle, which received it, gets sore almost immediately. If the muscle was already sore from training, that painful sensation may become very intense. You definitely do not want to repeat injections at the very same location, hence the necessity for rotation. Similarly, you will notice that you cannot inject in a muscle and then train this muscle. PGF2A is algesic (a pain mediator). Therefore, the timing of injections is key. You should wait for at least 2 to 3 days after you have trained a muscle to inject it. Then you will have to wait for 24 hours before training this muscle. If your muscle is already sore, I advise against using it as a site of injection as long as it hurts.
You will also learn that it is more comfortable to hit the outer part of the muscle than the inner part. For example, it is less painful to hit the outer head of the triceps than the inner head that touches your lats. Some bodyparts such as the biceps, the back, etc. are especially sensitive to the pain sensation PGF2A will induce.

The personals!!!

This section will contain a lot of personal experiences, and side effects with this new drug…I hope it will shed some light on the questions most of you may have.

Big Brother Val!

Pumps are INSANE! In addition, Val, as the rest of us will agree; needed the unrestricted use of the bathroom…Does it hurt? In Val's words, " This sh*t is awesome…Hurts like fucking hell!" As Val stayed with the injections, and SLOWLY increased the dosage, I got a report from him at the 2-week point of the cycle.

Injections and dosages varied, but I will relate this as Val told it, " Hitting the arms 12 times a day….3 in each Biceps, 3 in each Triceps, for a total of 6cc's a day. I am being burned out on injecting myself so often, especially in the Biceps.
The pain is reducing now, and I do not feel sick. Still get shortness of breath, and tightness in the chest each time. There is a visible difference in growth thus far, and my body fat has dropped significantly."

As you can see, and most of us will agree, the injections become a major burden to deal with, the benefit though, is the visible growth all of us have seen…it is a very hard choice. This was taken off the Elitefitness Board as one of Big Brother Val's Post's!

I was injecting my arms 4 times a week. It went like this:
Sun:..shoot/arms...... lift/rest
Mon:..shoot/shoulders..lift/arms, pump/chest
Tues:Shoot/shoulders..lift/back, pump/shoulders
Wed:Shoot/shoulders..lift/legs
Thurs.shoot/arms.......lift/chest, pump/arms
Fri:Shoot/arms.......lift/shoulders, pump/calves
Sat:Shoot/arms.......lift/rest
Then repeat.
I've switched it up a bit, and have found a lot better response... in a matter of a few days, I have new stretch marks starting on my tri's... and my arms have never felt so full.
Now my lifting schedule is the same. However, I switched up the dosage on PGF2A. I read in the articles by Dharkam that you should shoot 24 hours before training a muscle... then wait 2 days after that to shoot it again. Maybe even three days if you train hard enough. I personally have found that if I shoot the muscle group the same day I train it... that my lifts go better... my pumps are absolutely incredible... and I keep my pump a lot longer, as well as feel more pumped the next couple of days.
Now I follow this schedule:
Sun:Shoot/arms...... lift/rest
Mon:Shoot/ARMS.......lift/arms, pump/chest
Tues:Shoot/shoulders..lift/back, pump/shoulders
Wed:Shoot/shoulders..lift/legs
Thurs.shoot/arms.......lift/chest, pump/arms
Fri:Shoot/SHOULDERS.......lift/shoulders, pump/calves
Sat:Shoot/arms.......lift/rest
Then repeat.
It's only a switch of two days... but for my personal results it's really working great. On arm day, I take six cc's throughout the day. I will up the dosage coming up next week, and see how that goes. My side effects are gone... besides the odd feeling in the chest... and the intense muscle pain.
Just thought I would give an update for those interested in this.

I have just come off a Sustanon, Eq. cycle... and will be doing a cycle of test, Eq, and Dbol after my PGF2A run. The pain sucks, absolutely. However, I want to focus on my arms and deltas, so they can catch up. A lot harder to do on regular gear.
My poundage's are definitely affected. Not nearly as dramatic as stated in that article, though. I was curling 65 lb. dumbbells for eight reps before I started this. Now I'm curling 45 lb. dumbbells and hoping for eight. The pump is insane.
One of the great things, is that you can REALLY feel the muscle working. Really, helps to focus on that muscle group and feel it work throughout the entire range of motion. The pain factor is intense... and the muscle REALLY burns bad while training it. More so when you shoot on the same day you train it. That feeling isn't as intense if you stop shooting that muscle 24 hours before you train it.
I'm never sore after a workout the following day, but hot damn am I sore after each shot.

Well.... the muscle pain you experience is INTENSE!! Right now for example... I hit arms on my lunch break... (got the most incredible pump I have EVER had, by the way), came back, and shot in the bathroom. My arms hurt so badly right now, I can't explain it. Can't bend 'em very well, or straighten them all the way....
I have a tight feeling in the chest...
Nevertheless, GODDAMN!!! This is the biggest my arms have EVER looked!!
IT'S FUCKIN' INSANE!!
I literally cannot put on the shirt I was wearing before break... it won't stretch enough to fit on my arms!!


Jeff rys!

After 4 to 5 weeks of PGF2A injections, Jeff reported the following to me.
" I'm doing 8 shots a day at .5cc. Left Biceps, Right Biceps would equal one full cc.
I am fed up with the numerous injections, and if I can overcome being fed up with the needle, I will inject more.
As for the results, ½ on arms when flexed. I did shoulders as well, and they are thicker. I did some injecting in the abs, by pulling the skin up, and injecting. The site turned red, in a spot of around 3 square inches. I am now injecting into the muscle of the abs, but this is dangerous because you may pass through and hit an organ. I only inject abs once a week, and the site gets thick, as if a vein is irritated. It is not a vein, but it feels like it. I have dropped 11 pounds, and everyone says how good I look…. I tried lower back, and chest as well, not much results, but I think it works best if you inject in the same spot a lot more. I feel it's a good alternative to steroids…But, I don't know how safe it is."

PGF2A and weak bodyparts.

The cardinal rule of PGF2A is to inject as far away as possible from the
Intestine. You see, PGF2A induces a very strong contraction of the
Intestine and the bladder (both smooth muscles). The major candidate as
A site of injection was the front shoulder. But by repeating injections in
The shoulders, bodybuilders soon ended up with grossly overdeveloped
Front delt's. They looked like walking monkeys. The rest of their body was
Growing too, but not as fast as the muscles closest to the sites of
Injections.

What this means is that if you want to develop a weak muscle, just inject PGF2A locally and watch! The muscle grows. We are talking about a real muscle growth and not an artificial swelling like Synthol or Esiclene would induce. Calves are a muscle of choice. In fact,
even if your calves failed To grow no matter how much training you administered, PGF2A will
solve your problem. After a single cycle of PGF2A, unresponsive calves start to respond, even if they never did before!


The localized growth induced by PGF2A may appear magical, but there is a simple explanation. The life cycle of the injected PGF2A is terribly short (minutes). Most of it will .Be destroyed in your lungs. If you hit your right calf for example, this muscle will be exposed to a maximal concentration of PGF2A. As the prostaglandin rapidly leaks out of the calf and passes into the blood, it will quickly reach the lungs where most of it will be destroyed. What is left of the PGF2A will be dispatched evenly though you're whole body. It means that the other muscles will be exposed to far less of the anabolic effects of PGF2A. So unless you want to make a weak point grow, you should rotate the sites of injections frequently which as we will see is not a problem.

Let us continue with other personal experiences!

Efigy!

Okay, here's my info:
1/2 cc in both body parts (1cc total)at a time.
biceps morning, triceps noon, delt's night.
This is my third day.
About 5 min. after injection stinging in bodypart.
About 10 min. after injection coughing and "weird feeling" in my lungs, numb lips, intense waves of pain in the body part injected.
About 20-30 min. after injection slight to moderate urge to sh*t, not that bad though, no running to bathroom. One 1/2 - two hours after injection all bad sides are gone. Pleasant pump/pain in bodypart.
I am noticing a big difference already!
Oh yea! I almost forgot, major chills and feeling VERY cold about 10 min. after and lasts about 30 min.

(continued) The system didn't let me fit it all in one post!
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