BIGDAWG(From Muscle Max..Moderator/Regular of Elitefitness)

What's up guys.. as we speak, I'm on my first dose of PGF2A. It was a little fucked up how it happened so I will just explain from the beginning. I decided to try the DMSO method first. I guess I am just curious like that. I put 1/4 of a cc on each gauze pad and some DMSO gel. I had my wife tape the sh*t to my shoulders and I waited. It got warm, and I was light- headed as well. I felt weird once it was absorbing and the DMSO gets warm! I'm not sure if its that or the PGF2A, but whatever. I did 1/4 of a cc because I just wanted to test it out a little. Well, after having it on there for like 30 minutes, I said f**k it, loaded another one up with 1/4 cc, and put them on my bicep's. Therefore, as I am typing this I have the pads on both areas and I am heating up rather warm. From what my boy tells me, the gel takes a little while to absorb, so I am giving it some time. I will say, my biceps's feel much-pumped right now. Kinda cool. He also told me, what he noticed was with the DMSO, its like a more "all around" growth, where as with the pin, its like a peak growth. Not all around means the whole body. It means the whole muscle you put it on. He explained to me how the vessel's work, this dudes like a medical student, so I trust him. f**k I gotta sh*t. Hang on! Ok I am back. Goddamn did not even see that one coming! OK I just took off the deltoid pads; it has been almost an hour now. Well it looks like a big ass rash on my deltoids now. In addition, its WARM. The biceps's are still kicking full force now. I think the dose is the thing that determines the whole sh*t your pants thing and all just hope I get some results. My biceps are pumped! In addition, my veins are coming out like crazy from my BI's on down. Well, I am gonna go for now. Next time I will try the inject. f**k, I can't wait for that sh*t!

Okay, after reading over the Ranger's e-mail to me a couple of times I said f**k it and got up the balls to do it. I don't know why, but I was like, REALLY thinking it was going to be BAD. So after some prepping and all I had my wife stick my delts. When she injected, I didn't feel sh*t..nothing. In fact, I almost thought my sh*t was bunk..lol then I got light headed..like a paint high. Then I felt a little soreness in the sites. I was waiting for the other sides and I got a couple cramps in the stomach and that was about it. Now please keep in mind, I get explosive shits all the time. I think my body was laughing at the PGF2A, McDonalds is worse. hehe
As time went on, I began to get more sore.. Like I had did a BIG set of laterals I guess. Once the soreness starts, the short breath came. Not too bad though. I only felt it when I TRIED to breathe in hard. After that all sets in, nothing else happened. I coughed a few times but that's it. If this is what's its like, then I shouldn't have a problem with this. Not for the results, it's supposed to give.

Ranger's right on this one.. after everything I read, I was waiting for it to be PURE HELL, but this is not the case. I will now retract my statement about the taking a sh*t part. I had a FULL stomach on my last inject, in fact I had just eaten a mcflurry well, at first I got a little rumble down there so I grabbed my favorite car audio magazine and went to town. The rumble was followed by some NASTY unloading, lets just say I made a swamp. f**k it though, I felt lean as a mofo once it was over! the burning/pain part isn't sh*t, on the delts at least, I'm sure the BI's would be worse but I'm not worried about it. I guess I was thinking it would be like REAL bad, but it's not. As for injecting, I've sort of came up with my own little schedule. I figure this week I want to hit triceps and shoulders. So, one-day ill do my tri's twice and shoulders once, then the next day ill change that around. This way they are getting hit twice one day and once the next day. I can't think of another way to do it without injecting like way more. The injects aren't bad at all, I could stand it like 5 times a day, but I don't have the time to take that many 45 min shits.

Ranger, man my fucking lips get numb now! LOL the good thing is, I'm getting used to the sides now, and they don't bother me. It did bother me last night when my wife hit a nerve in my tricep. Here is a list of my experience so far..
1. the inject, no pain unless she hits the nerve.. ouch
2. slight sting on injection spot
3. begin to feel warm.. a little dizzy
4. get small cramps in stomach
5. sites get a little more sore
6. lips numb
7. HUGE sh*t, liquid
8. everything goes away.. chills sometimes.
That's it.. it all lasts about 20-30 minutes for me and I'm done. I do this sh*t on my lunch break now. Once one side hits, another goes away. PGF2A is not painful, it's fucking annoying. It sucks to have to feel that way three times a day, that's why it sucks.

Ranger

Well, I guess you could say I was a little more experimental in my use with PGF2A. I wanted to see how far I could take it, and what happened, and what I could do to minimize the side effects without hindering the growth process……Well, I don't have all the answers to this one. I do know it takes dedication, as Val has showed us, and you will have to endure some pretty nasty sides from time to time….bottom line!!! The choice is yours, and yours alone!!

I started out at 2.5mg's per bicep twice a day from the start. I experienced all of the aforementioned sides….Breathing, numb lips, diarrhea, hypoglycemia, muscle pain….the list goes on. However, in 2 weeks my arms grew ½ inches…doesn't sound like much? It's permanent growth…that's good! I did get pretty cocky at the end of the 2nd week and decided to inject calves…I injected 1cc per muscle, per leg, for a total of 4cc's or 20mg's. My GOD was the pain intense!! I couldn't walk for 30 minutes, Breathing was labored, lips completely numb, mucous in my throat, and when the diarrhea came, I had to crawl to the bathroom. I was laughing and wanting to cry at the same time, but I made it(barely)!

I will say this now…UP THE DOSAGE SLOWLY!!! How much? I cannot give you the answers to that, everyone will be different. BIGDAWG'S side effects are no where near that of Val', Jeff, and mine. However, take it slowly!

I decided to try a very strict diet to see the effects…I only had 100 grams of Carbohydrates per day, all before lunch…low fat. The third day into this diet I was getting added side effects….light headed, headaches, cold chills, shaky. I checked my blood sugar levels the fourth day after my morning injection….49mg/dl. Yup, Hypoglycemia(low blood sugar). I quickly drank some orange juice, protein shake, and ate some Gram Crackers…the sides quickly subsided. I even made a Doctor's Appt. To have this checked further…everything came out fine…nothing!
Here's what I found to work best for me…around 1 hour before injection, have a bowl of oatmeal, and a small protein shake. After your injection, and the sides(diarrhea) have subsided, eat 3 tablets of Glucose(chewable orange flavored…yummy&#33, and have a large protein shake. You can buy these over the counter and is a great sugar free Carb Booster!! This worked great for me!! I found out, and all who are using this will agree…I have become leaner than I ever have!! As my body fat dropped, my arms and calves continued to grow, as did the rest of my body. Only at a slower pace.

INJECTIONS SUCK!! You wanna grow?? Get used to the idea!! I use 28 or 29-gauge 1 inch Insulin pins. Works great Bro's! After three weeks, and all will once again agree, you will get needle phobia…heh heh heh…! That's where we come to the next section….PGF2A and DMSO!!

These are some do's and don'ts I think is important:
1. Do up the dosage slowly!
2. Do take your time injecting!
3. Do have access to a restroom!
4. Do make sure the injection site is clean!

1. Don't inject into the ab's, lower back, forearms, and trap's(personal experience on this one)! I know Jeff rys is doing this with no lasting side effects, but I feel it is unsafe at best!
2. Don't get PGF2A near your wife or girlfriend! It can be absorbed through the skin, and will cause cramps, bleeding…etc. In women…Never get it near a woman that is pregnant!
3. Don't use this blindly…do all available research…then decide!

I will in the coming weeks try another little experiment of my own. I will mix the PGF2A with DMSO and Yohimbe for spot fat reduction, and hopefully, localized growth! If anyone has tried this, or heard of anyone who has. Please post the information, and results…Thanks!!

PGF2A and DMSO

Prompted by BIGDAWG'S experiment, and my sudden lack of interest in injections<sniff> <sniff>!! I decided to conduct a few experiments of my own with DMSO and PGF2A…My conclusion…Injections work better, but DMSO is a welcome break!!

I would spread DMSO on a 4 inch by 4-inch gauze pad, squirt ½ cc per pad, and then tape it to my Pectorals. I left it there for approximately 30 minutes. Sides were minimal at best…Somewhat heavy breathing, light headed, site becomes very warm, and once you pull the gauze off, you may see a slight rash(it will leave quickly). The site becomes rather pumped, and in the case of my Biceps, I noticed an increase in Vascularity.

Now, once I pulled the gauze off my chest. I went straight to the gym. I worked my chest in a normal fashion. I became much more pumped!! I could even tell in the mirror. I did three sets of cable crossovers…MY GOD…It was Intense…veins everywhere!! For the next two days, my chest was crushed!! It felt good to be that sore again. Tried it again the same way the next week, no where near the same pump, or after effects!! For Biceps, I upped the dosage to 1 cc per pad, per Bicep. I achieved a good pump, and increased Vascularity. I feel you have to up the dosage a lot quicker with the DMSO method to achieve max results. Nevertheless, that is only my opinion…if anyone else has tried this method in more depth, please post the time and results!!

In this report, I have only tried to give as much personal experience as possible. Again, not much is known about PGF2A, so take it slow. I had a GTT test done..all results were negative. I have been on for 5 weeks now. I hope this has answered many your questions, but it doesn't answer them all!! You have to decide Brother's…Is PGF2A for me?? Maybe yes, maybe no!! But, it is for Ole Ranger!!! Cause, It's All Good!!

Many thanks to all those who have ventured into he unknown with this new drug, and have shared the experience!!