No EC for me anymore, I feel so much better off of that shit. I would rather be fat than being thirsty all the time despite drinking two gallons of water, having a bad ass heart rate180 on the bike compared to my usual 100, and fucked up sleep. I am going to wait until the melting point comes out, I am at around 11-13 range as far as bf goes, my all time lowest was 11.2 with the calipers. I got thick skin, that might also be one of the reasons I get a higher reading that what I have, I am not going to post any of my pic for another year or two, I am about Bomb_R2's size, J/K. My arms are only the size of soda cans compared to ur double deuces. I am going to use 6 ml sesathin per day spread out over 3 servings in hope that it will help reduce some of the fat storage. I am just taking the R-ala for an insurance, I am not paying for any of my supplements, its all cheated money, so I really dont care how I spend it, I even ordered the 2 day shipping for 18 bucks