great discussion so far, but I have to disagree somewhat on all accounts. I've run the gammit, going from multiple bi/tri isolations, to using nothing but compound movements. increased, and decreased intensity, reps, sets ect ect.

and while my strength has grown over time, my arms simply never have. in 8 or so years of training, i've gained 1/2 inch on my arms total. when comparing that to others of similar ht, wt, strength, i am below average at best.


so what do u suggest for the guy who has tried everything?

well my plan is to hit another modified hst cycle in jan, and see if i can grow a little more. But i'm open to suggestions.

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