I havent had much luck with CLA, It may be underdosed or something but i've tried it a few times and it didnt seem to be of any benifit to me.

Dhea has horrible bioavailability, and it derivatives like 7oxo dry me out so much. they have been towted as anti cortisol supps an shit like that. I've used Lean Xtreme from DS and had little luck with that also.

I have a bottle of GXR by DS laying around. I've been wondering if i should give that a go also. But all things in due time. Dont need to many things playing with my blood glucose levels at the same time.

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