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Originally Posted by Eric3237
And you're telling people to PM you for routines?
What's there to be confused about? The first article you posted says one thing, the Don Long article says the opposite. I haven't even bothered with the Ronnie Coleman one. Two opposite schools of thought in the same thread. Which is it?
You keep telling people they don't need to do a lot of bicep isolations. That the compound movements and heavy frequent squatting, etc is the key. You even told someone that biceps three times a week was hopeless....and you were on the right track for the most part, imo.
Then you post the Jeff Anderson article that basically agrees with that in spirit although it doesn't go into many specifics. But in the same thread you post something helpful for someone "obsessed with biceps". You're fence sitting.
The triceps thing was a joke. My point is that anyone can throw a bunce of isolations together with multiple rep ranges and sets and then claim that this one is for shape and this one is for that and this one is for that one little fiber that no other exercise will ever hit... Mine was better though cuz it went to 20. Wait a minute, I just thought of an improvement: Mine now goes to 21! This is muscle mag BS.
Don't blame me!
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ok..i get your point.... and i told him that if he wanted a routine and he couldnt find one, he could pm me because i'd probably have the one he wanted... and i think that doing heavy rows, etc - in general compound movements, stimulates arm growth as well, because although my arms havent grown in terms of inches on Mark's program, they're looking bigger and have become more "dense" if you know what i mean..... however, to be honest, i think that ignoring arms isnt a good idea.. i mean, when i started doing skull crushers my bench improved right...? the only thing to keep in mind is that curls are not more important than deadlifts or rows or etc...
also, i started this as a "bicep" thread in mind, and decided to throw in different articles regarding biceps.... and sometimes, overtraining on a bodypart might help.. lets take kane's example, he overtrained like mad on his biceps when he started out (or so he says) and now he can lift heavier... me, i never did excess arm work... yet, my arms are big but weak.... when i began lifting i overtraned on my chest and back therefore i have a good chest but a horrible bench...
my point is, i am not fence sitting... i put these articles to merely add to the bicep thread... i have already said which policy I believe in and hopefully, i've made myself clear....
have you noticed another thing...? when we do full body programs, we do biceps and triceps 3x a week for a total of 12x a month....
but i'll go over it once more..
1.) doing biceps and triceps is important
2.) however, it is not MORE important than squats, deads or bench press
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Originally Posted by Don Long
If your biceps are a weak bodypart, don't be afraid to train them several times a week. Getting the blood and nutrients into the muscle more regularly will spur them into growth, and your mental desire to improve will outweigh any considerations of not allowing what is normally considered to be adequate recuperation time. Biceps are one of the smaller muscle groups, and they don't need the same period of recuperation as a large muscle group like quads or back. With regard to recuperation, I think the most important factor is getting eight hours of solid sleep a night. The bottom line with biceps; if you want them badly enough, you'll get them!
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thats so stupid... arms take a LONG time to recover as well.. ask kane.. he did OVT.. no chance in hell his arms recovered in one day..!
BUT, if i do 2-3 sets of bis + tris every alternate day, i'll be good to go...
i hope this has cleared up all the issues...