I've used phenibut before, and the hangover from it is the worst. I've never been so weak, and sick from a suppliment. I ended up throwing out about 20g of it cause I wouldnt do that to myself again. And dont even get me started about using it with stims ... I was spinning for litterally 10hrs.

I dosed REM a little differently last night, i wanted to get to bed early so I only waited 30min after dinner to take it. That prolonged the time it took to be effective. When they say "On an empty stomach" they mean it. I can see how this would pose a problem for some. I think tonights timing will go like this

9pm dinner
10pm 3 caps rem
10:45 cottage cheese then right to bed

i figure if i wait till it kicks in, then eat i should be fine.

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