yeah like last night i mean im stillnew to this but i was at my max set on the bench of 165 or 170 or something and it didnt hurt. but the other guy i was psoting for i was just helping keep the bar striaght and that bit of tension hurt. Like working out doesnt hurt at all its jsut like stupid minor things its odd. but ill see how it goes im going to head out now and do some back shoulder and traps. ill ice it up when i get home thanks for your help and ill post to let ya know how it went.