Well IMO lyle is the best out there. A good buddy of mine uses the ud2 to get lean before he shoots, and he has been in several mags. I've seen it work, and with the proper dedication that diet is spot on.

I havent personally used it as of yet. I dont have a need to get down to sub 10% bf. I may use it one day, if i decide that being in a mag is important to me, but somehow i dont see that happening.

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