I'm with you Hardgain. Let's be clear in general...this is a multi-billion dollar industry. People are buying and selling stock based on all these types of fraudulent claims and getting richer and richer while you are throwing away hard earned money.

Hell, I just saw a thing today that would make your blood curdle. Someone does some research on a well-known poisonous substance to find it MAY have some benefits at low doses for rats with heart problems based on stem cells....but it's still poisonous. Next thing you know somebody is selling a supplement based on this claiming it to be an alternative to steroids...using some alkaloid found in a fruit. Enough said?

They say this shit because they know people WANT TO BELIEVE IT. There are lots of good sups out there. But unfortunately, they are the exception to the rule. That's why you always see the same basic list recommended over and over.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.