I guess I forgot to mention that I'm on a no fat diet, ( Good protien, vitamins, salads, chicken all the good stuff ) in proper portions. I am losing FAT around the mid section. There wasn,t a whole lot of it there to begin with. Heres a question; Arms , legs chest, and shoulders are easy to keep the lard off because we work them the most in working out and everday activities. So , working the abs with alot of reps should burn some fat ??? If you have a routine that will help My eyes and ears are open. :eek: