Brad, please point out all the typos in this post  .
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Originally Posted by arthur
But reading all this again leaves me to think that bodyewight exercises do tend to have a magical advantage over weight training.[esp. the rock climber article seems to prove it.]
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However I still can't figure out why if a person is using weights heavy enough {enough to manage just a rep or two} why should not those be exactly similiar to bodyweight exercies {of course if no chaeting is allowed}.
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1. There is nothing magical about it. It's just that although movements are similar small changes in joint angles and big changes like where the weight is can mean quite significant changes in the biomechanics. Call it specificity if you like. If you want to get better at pulling your body up, you have to pull you body up. Why does a leg press recruit more quads and a (proper) squat more hams? It seems superficially similar but it's actually QUITE different. But it's really oveanalysing. If you think a couple of pulldowns is the same as a couple of pullups then go ahead and do pulldowns . Hell, I do pulldowns sometimes but pullups are the staple (well, rows are the staple but you know what I mean).
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Secondly in pullups I think so the the closed chain will not apply since one is actually moving the body [overcoming the resistance of the body's weight
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This is why people give simple pat answers to these questions, such as pull-ups are better, end of discussion…
My goal was to indicate that there are no simple answers but that these are some of the explanations that people put forth.
This is why I called it a grey area. If your goal is to try and pick the right exercises for a particular sport or whatever then it matters. If your goal is to build muscle and strength then only what gives the best results matters. The original definition by Arthur Steindler in itself was not a precise black or white thing and Chek’s explanation I cited above is prob a little too vague. Steindler talked about whether the proximal joint was free to move against the resistance, whether the proximal was fixed and the peripheral was either eventually able to overcome the resistance or it was insurmountable. So an exercise could be partially closed or whatever and as you can see we’re just nitpicking here. I shouldn’t have mentioned it at all but my intention was to point out that there is no simple pat answer to why certain exericises like pull-ups are better.
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Also somebody told me that the type I fibers decline faster than type 2 fibers because of what they call the body ability to do and maintain just what is required, and so maybe during detraining the body feels that type 1fibers [which are used first in regular activities] are not required in so great a volume and hence t cut down on them, but the type 2 fibers{so long as proper nutrition is supplied} are preserved as fight or flight adaptations. Is this true.
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You’re worried about things you can’t control. Your body adapts to the specific demand placed on it. That doesn’t mean that if you weight train enough you will not be able to stand up cuz your body cut down your type 1 fibers. If you lay in bed for a long long time it’s a different story. Which explains why you can’t come out of a 6 year coma and then go seek revenge on your enemies two hours later like Steven Seagal
Here are some threads that will get you pointed in the right direction:
http://www.bodybuilding.net/training-forum/why-arent-you-growing-1451.html
http://www.bodybuilding.net/training...rent-2972.html
http://www.bodybuilding.net/training...gh-2867-2.html
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
Last edited by EricT; 09-14-2006 at 08:37 AM.
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