All those supplements come separate. Go to www.bulknutrition.com and look them up. Hell, most convience stores and walmart carry caffeine pills. And he wasnt saying NO products dont work (although most say citruline malate works better, but bu), but rather it doesnt do anything to help cut. And NO shotgun is just another overpriced scam that magazine ads get you hyped over. I think all they pretty much did was add some arginine to their first product, redline - which is pretty much just caffeine, yohimbine, and green tea.