I still stand by my ab-lounger, I get a full range beyond flat and full forward. I concentrate on using the abs to go through the exersize. I don't just jump on and ride. I agree that why this is a difficult area, is that it dosen't get the movement that the arms and legs and shoulders all day long. So I make up the movement on my contraption. Isn't that the same as working the rest of the parts ?? Thats why the arms are the easiest, they work all day ( on most people ). So , untill I am convinced that my 700 reps isn't burning fat in that area I'll con't. I've started this all most 2 months ago and I am seeing great progress.