Well that's good. As I said before you should be on the "beginner" programs for a while. The stating strength is supposed to take you anywhere from 3 to 9 months. Even 6 months on that would correlate to a tremdendous strength gain.

You certainly have to realize it takes years. Of course you can't really plan for years ahead. To stay motivated you need short AND long term goals. You might set a short term goal for squats for instance...it doesn't matter if you reach it perfectly just round about. Keep setting your sights a little higher and as you reach those milestones you'll slowly begin to realize that you are much bigger.

I do have a question though. When you did these other programs did you just stop at some predetermined point in time or did you actually hit a wall and become unable to progress any further? I'm guessing the former since now it seems like you may have stopped when you stopped gaining weight.

Despite what the internet may lead you to believe THERE IS NO PREDERTERMINED TIME FRAME ON ANY OF THESE BEGINNER OR INTERMEDIATE PROGRAMS. I think one of the BIG problems is all the internest posts presenting these as rigid cookie cutters.

Now I'm going to launch into one of my long posts that will go largely ignored but I'll say it anyway cuz it makes me feel better to give the straight dope as I see it.

The idea is that you would for instance, run the Starting Strength for a while in this rigid, completely static way and then when you bogged down you'd give up and start all over by cycling back the intensity again. The problem with that is that most people are not going to cycle back and will move on to what they see as something more interesting or more advanced. And since they didn't really do it right the program won't live up to the hype it was given so they'll look for a 'better' program.

Also, while they could have continued progressing for quite a while longer if they knew how to make the slightest manipulations to the program, instead the format ignores the fact that the body's adaptive system is a dynamic process and as changes take place in the way it adapts and reacts we have to make allowances for those changes. And I'm not talking about complicated rocket science that only someone very advanced or educated could do or understand.

Why is this better? Because running one of these programs correctly, which means milking them for everything they are worth results in a cumulative strength gain which will for outweigh running it for 8 weeks or 9 weeks only and 'starting over'. Because of those changes I spoke of the second run is likely to be FAR less successful than the first and the sum of the parts doesn't come to as much.

Sucessfull strength training has far less to do with picking good programs and much more to do with commiting to a way of training and learning and apapting that training as you go along.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.