BTW, I knew what you meant and I was speaking to Red's idea that he wouldn't gain mass, specifically, and not to anything you said. It's kinda funny when you think about how people have this separatist view of strength versus mass. For me, the fact is, MOST of my mass has come from "strength" programs. Volume just never did it for me in the past. Now that may be different no but I dont care about mass as much as strength anymore and training for strength and getting the look that comes from it is too damn fun!

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.