yeah it's about the same. Maybe not the same taste, but what can ya do. It was CEE, CM, L-Carnitine, and Beta-alanyl-L-histidine (Carnosine). One difference it is did seem to take longer to kick in. Octane I could feel after 10-15 mins. the mix seem to take a little longer but only by like 10 mins. So I just adjusted. Also, if anyone is wondering, the amount I used for the stack was about the same as what is one the label of Octane. I used it as a reference for my recipe.

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