Thanks 0311, i saw your post on the "split" post-workout shake and that's when i began rethinking my own shake system. Where would you recommend getting the supplies for this system? (dextrose, matlodextrin, VP2) In order to have the creatine from the shakes working correctly will i have to be taking creatine throghout the day? I remember when i was taking the Apex Volumizer, i had to take like 10 pills a day, i do not remember what that calculates in grams, but... i supposed the creatine is optional anyhow eh?