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Old 03-13-2007, 06:09 AM
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Cast aspersions????
Oh you meanlike this......
"Giving hydrosolates to famished rats and wathcing the reaction hardly makes hydrosolate the "best". It's not based on anything very credible." or this "That is sup company talk."????

LOL....you guys are silly and obviously dont have a clue on what you are talking about.

Now why would I wont to do your research for you?? If you dont believe me thats fine. If you want to be ignorant then thats fine with me also.

Do you think I just say "there has been studies done" or "it has been proven" just for the hell of it??

I dont even think you all know what BCAAs are. If you did, you wouldnt be making the statement that you are. You prefer a carb over BCAAs for gaining muscle mass????

What do you think protein is made of??
Why do you even drink a protein shake???
For the protein.
What is protein made of???

Carb over BCAAs...lMAO.

Sorry, I dont mean to laugh, but this is funny - "I was gaining long before I ever knew what bcaas were"

Of course you were, you were digesting BCAAs without even knowing it.

But you could have gaining bigger and faster by adding some more BCAAs

And there has been studies that prove taking BCAAs 30 minutes before working out can greatly increase recovery time and protein synthesis.

What me do your research for that also??

For everyone else, here is one study......

A recent study, published in the International Journal of Sports Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism, examined the effects of supplementation with different proteins, namely hydrolyzed whey protein and casein (the main component of milk protein), on muscle strength and body composition during a 10 week, supervised resistance training program [6]. Importantly, this study was conducted on experienced male bodybuilders. To qualify as subjects the men 1) had no current or past history of anabolic steroid use; 2) had at least two years of resistance-training experience 3) had not ingested any sport supplement for an 8-week period prior to the start of supplementation; and 4) agreed not to ingest any other supplements or non-prescription drugs that may affect muscle growth or exercise performance.

This study used so-called double-blind protocol, meaning that neither the individuals nor the researchers knew who consumed whey hydrolysate and who consumed casein. The guys supplemented their normal diet with either whey hydrolysate or casein (1.5 grams per kilogram of body mass/day). However, the protein supplementation resulted in only a small increase in daily protein intake, so the subjects substituted a large portion of their habitual daily protein intake with the protein supplement. Resistance training began the week after all baseline assessments and continued for 10 weeks. The primary goal of the training program was to increase maximal strength and muscle size. What happened? Well, this well-controlled study indicated that :

The whey hydrolysate group achieved a significantly greater gain in lean body mass than the casein group (5.0 versus 0.8 kilograms). Also, the whey hydrolysate group lost significantly body fat while the casein group gained body fat (-1.5 versus +0.2 kilograms).
The whey hydrolysate group also achieved significantly greater improvements in muscle strength (measured by barbell bench press, squat and cable pull-down) compared to the casein group in each assessment of strength. Furthermore, when the strength changes were expressed relative to body weight, the whey group still achieved significantly greater improvements in strength compared to the casein group.

The superiority of whey protein hydrolysate may have something to do with its strong insulin boosting actions and its rapid absorption and uptake. A surge of amino acids are rapidly transported to muscle tissue where they may help trigger new muscle synthesis at an accelerated rate. Interestingly, this study also demonstrated whey hydrolysate ingestion promoted fat loss; high-quality whey protein has ACE-inhibitory activity, which may lead to inhibition of storage fat synthesis in fat tissue.

The results of this study are in line with the recent premilary report by Dr. John Buckley and co-workers, who observed that whey protein hydrolysate is superior to casein in enhancing recovery of isometric muscle torque following eccentric muscle contractions [7].

Bottom Line
The reported lean body mass gains in the whey hydrolysate group of 5 kilograms is nothing short of phenomenal. Although more research is needed, it now appears that high-quality whey protein hydrolysate is the best source of protein for serious strength-power athletes.

References
Tipton KD, Wolfe RR. Protein and amino acids for athletes. J Sports Sci. 2004;22:65-79.
Ha E, Zemel MB. Functional properties of whey, whey components, and essential amino acids: mechanisms underlying health benefits for active people (review). J Nutr Biochem. 2003;14:251-8.
Manninen AH. Hyperinsulinemia, hyperaminoacidemia and post-exercise muscle anabolism: the search for the optimal recovery drink. Br J Sports Med. 2006 Sep 1; [Epub ahead of print].
Pasquale MG. Protein foods vs. protein and amino acid supplements. In: Amino Acids and Proteins for the Athlete - The Anabolic Edge. Boca Raton, FL: CRC Press, 1997, pp. 89-98.
Bucci LR, Unlu L. Protein and amino acid supplements in exercise and sport. In: Wolinsky I, Driskell JA, eds. Energy-Yielding Macronutrients and Energy Metabolism in Sports Nutrition. Boca Raton, FL: CRC Press, 2000, pp. 191-212.
Cribb PJ et al. The effect of whey isolate and resistance training on strenght, body composition and plasma glutamine. Int J Sports Nutr Exerc Metab 2006;16:494-509.
Buckley JD et al. A novel hydrolysate of whey protein isolate enhances isometric muscle torque following eccentric exercise. Internatiomal Society of Sports Nutrition Conference Proceedings, 2006.

"I'm aware of it being so darn easy to digest since it's broken down into peptides. Great news for infants."

Thats all you get from that, smart ass?

I hate to say this Bro, but with statements like that........
you really are clueless or lack common sense or really dont have any idea on proper training.

After working out, what is the main goal you want to accomplish??
You want to feed your muscles as quick as possible to improve recovery and protein synthesis.

Thus, since hydrolysate whey protein is digested easily and is rapidly absorped and uptake into the muscle quicker, obviuosly, it will fed you muscle that much quicker, thus faster recovery and faster protein synthesis is achived.

And which type of whey is the easiest to digest and absorp??
Hydrolysate.
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