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Old 03-28-2007, 02:17 PM
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What?? You don't like my underlining, highlighting and stuff? I do that to show you the important parts so you don't have to do it yourself! You can trust me not to be biased!!

No, seriously I had hoped it helps people pick out the main points of an article that may look to long and tedious to read through the whole thing. And it helps me point out the parts that I want to emphasize. I promise I'll read the instructions you gave me on the quoting thing and start using it. It is a little neater.

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I think we may agree on more than we disagree on..

If I may though I want to take exception to one thing you said and then we can move on.

I disagree with what you keep repeating about there being no evidence of icing being detrimental to the healing process. I posted the following in the very first post showing that it clearly is.--


Concerning R.I.C.E. treatment:

Ice slows the ambient cellular metabolism and blood circulation significantly, thus adding to the slowing of healing.

The cells that make up ligaments, tendons, and organs are extremely temperature-sensitive. The metabolic rate at which these cells function is directly proportional to the temperature in their environment.

For each 10 degree drop in temperature, there is a more than two-fold decrease in the cell metabolism. Conversely, in order to increase cell metabolic rate the temperature of the tissue must increase.(1) That's why warming up is effective.
On the other hand, cooling tissue will decrease that cell's metabolism, slowing blood circulation and slowing healing.

In fact, Dr. Sherwin Ho and associates of the University of Hawaii in a landmark study showed that icing a knee for 25 minutes decreases blood flow and skeletal metabolism another 400 percent!(2)

The same study showed that the average decrease in arterial blood flow was 38 percent, 26 percent in soft tissue blood flow (ligaments), and 19 percent in bone uptake (which is a reflection of changes in both the bone blood flow and metabolic rate.) The net effect would be impaired or at best, delayed, soft tissue healing.(2)

Thus, to whatever degree and whatever length of time, icing clearly has a detrimental effect on healing. No way around it..

So, to put it in more scientific words: Nyaaaaaaaaa!!! j/k!
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