sorry Iron I should have known u were kidding! sorry dude.. thought u were saying it wont work.. I totally agree and it really surprised me that it works as well as it does.

I tell u what... give me less than 2 months and in that time.. I will use this training program and products and then see if you think its any good going by my before picture I took! Then if u want I will tell u what it is if u think its good.

I will order this on Monday... so will take about 1 week from now before I start. Remember I'm 187lbs at the moment of pure fat! and no muscle definition as I havent trained for a year and look terrible!

I wont take any other products apart from some Whey... I am ony taking some Sida Cordifolia at the moment as a dietary product.

I'll let u know when I start... if I stil look a fat dude...I will let you tell me you told me so!