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Old 04-20-2007, 08:17 AM
EricT EricT is offline
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As i have trained through the years i have always suffered from DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) which is the feeling of sore muscles...... and i have always grown......
As I have trained I have always been caucasion and I have always grown.....

Could it be? Nah....

It's got to do with methods of training and individual adaptations. People who train in an organized progressive way, for instance, may be sore at first but then they adapt and they are not as sore even though they are still progressing and growing. Even though the soreness is a result of microtears it it not the tears that hurt but the by-products of those tears casuing inflammation and pain. Part of recovery is clearing away the by-products of training (no I am not talking about lactic acid here). The only way to make themselves sore would be to add more and more in an EFFORT to be sore...thus ruing their program and overtraining before they reach the culmunation of their adaptive abilities on that program.

People who are always sore are sore simply because they think you have to batter a muscle into the ground every workout in order to grow. Also they most likely workout each muslce or muscle group at a low frequency which of course entails high volume and the lack of adapatation to DOMS. Yes, your body adapts to DOMS if given a chance.

Now I don't need science to tell me that my body adapts to reduce DOMS upon repeated training. My experience tells me it does. But the theory is that there are inflammatory products in the epimysium that are altered upon repeated training thus reducing DOMS.

So basically those experiencing DOMS would have larger amounts T cells (CD3), granulocytes (CD11b), leukaemia inhibitory factor (LIF) and hypoxia-inducible factor 1ß (HIF-1ß) in the epysium and those not would have much lower amounts. This appears to be a separate process from training adaptations without any causal relationship. Sciency enough for you?

PS...I threw in one theory as to the cause of DOMS. The metabolic theory which says the soreness is a result of the by-products of the healing process. There is also the theory that it is the tears themselves. OR, that it is connective tissue stress. The fact is there is no real conclusive evidence as to what causes it and even the tears, being a better alternative than the lactic acid one, is JUST a theory. I can throw in a theory like I did and sound very authoritative. But we don't really even know what causes it let alone can we say it's essential to muscle growth. And since most of us whov'e been in this awhile don't get sore except after a layoff or at the beginining of a radically new routine it's likely just a part of training but not a correlation to the hypertrophy process.

Training can provide a stimulus for progress.

Training can induce Delayed Onset Muscular Soreness (DOMS).

Different training means have different effects on short and long term training effects.

Soreness does not equal progress.

Progress is not reliant upon soreness.

Soreness and progress can coincide, but there is not a causal relationship between them. Sometimes the training means that induce soreness also happen to be the same ones that provide a stimulus for progress in strength at a particular time. Alas, this is not always the case or training would be a simple case of making yourself sore, waiting for the soreness to go away, and then making yourself sore again.

It wouldn't matter what you did so long as it was enough to make you sore. This would also mean you basically were always waiting around for soreness to go away....oh well this has been gone over before. It's a dumb way to train. This is what many people would refer to as a "single factor" way of training.

For further reference:

http://jp.physoc.org/cgi/content/full/556/3/983
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

Last edited by EricT; 04-20-2007 at 03:57 PM.
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