Well, Havoc is a 17a-methyl so you will want to use milk thistle (liver support supps) the whole way through, some people preload for a week, if you've had liver issues in the past I would advise it, the stuff is cheap enough so better safe then sorry. I'd run it till the last day of pct, especially if your using nolva(tamox) because that is liver toxic as well.

I would make the same suggestion of the saw palmetto, if you have had prostate problems, or hairloss issues pre load and run through pct. I dont believe Havoc has any DHT conversion, so the hairloss thing may not apply, but again, better safe then sorry.

Hawthorne would be the same again, if you have blood pressure issues use it pre, durring, post.

I would also add something to support lipid profiles, such as sesamin (while ON) and fish oil (while in PCT). The reason I say this is because sesamin can cause libido issues in some, and thats not good durring pct.

For pct, this is my usual protocol for a short cycle like this.

weeks 1-3 nolva tapering down 40,30,20mg
weeks 3 and on ATD at 25mg, nettle root (or activate) at 400 mg 4x a day.
weeks 1-3 Fuze 3x a day (scivation makes this)

Basicly, the nolva is to bring back natty test levels, in the last week you add in low dose of ATD to boost natty test levels (by blocking estrogen binding), and then activate to boost free test levels. Fuze is a tribulus product that is cheap and helps to boost LH so you can get your sex drive back.

If your tight on cash, the ATD and activate arent nessisity, I like to use them very much though, they are even effective while not in pct for lean gains.

I will PM you guys about the nolva issue.

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