Since I never really shared my results I might as well give you guys some input on my experience with Havoc.

I am just finishing up my PCT from Havoc this week. This was actually my first venture into prohormones which I never really tried before due to alot of them having a laundry list of negative side effects. As mentioned in other threads, I personally had great results with hardly any side effects while on Havoc. The only noticeable side I had was an increase of acne on my shoulders but I am prone to acne there anyhow.

I started my cycle off with 2 days at 20 mg to see if there were any sides and then finished the rest of the first week at 30 mg. So my cycle looked like 20-30/40/40/40, a little different that what most people do but my training partner and I both followed this and got great results. I believe alot of people do 20/30/30/40 or 20/30/40/40. Keep in mind that alot of people are going past four weeks now, I was very tempted to do so as well but due to travel obligations I wanted to make sure my PCT was done before I was on the road.

There wasn't anything too noticeable during my first week except for increased endurance during my workouts. I felt like I could stay in the gym much longer than usual but the strength gains weren't really showing up yet. Shortness of breath was also an issue during the first week which is pretty common and went away relatively fast. It was during the second week when strength gains were very noticeable. Due to advice from others and learning from logs such as 0311's I decided NOT to push my lifts too fast and risk injury. Because of this I mainly tried to stay within a 10 lb weight increase each week which I thought was very reasonable since I was doing 5x5 lifts and not working up towards a 1 rep max. So all my weight increases were actually for 25 reps, not for just 1 or 2 near the end. Since I didn't test my 1 rep maxes I can't give you overall strength gain numbers but to give you an idea of my gains my 5x5 bench went up 30 lbs and 5x5 squats went up 30lbs as well. I was very happy with these results especially since I was on more restricted diet.

I decided to keep my training and my diet the same from before starting Havoc to really see what the difference would be while on. Overall I put on 7 lbs of lean mass and that is on diet with no more than 2500 calories a day on a training day. I also did cardio 4 times a week so to say the least I was shocked at how much weight I put on. This was also very dry weight. Alot of other logs report Havoc/Epistane working very well for recomposition even when people were eating/training for pure size gain.

As always make sure you have all your support supps in order. I used Cycle Support twice a day along with Liver Longer in addition to my standard supplements such as Sesamin/Fish Oil/Multivitamin etc. For my PCT I choose Toremifene Citrate.

A good beginners read on Havoc can be found here which includes sample cycles and PCT options for newbies. Just keep in mind that there is alot of product pimping by company reps in that thread so don't take everything they say by heart and do your own research.