^^^^Well said, haven't seen you in a while, Widdoes. There's a good discussion here that goes into a lot of this kind of thing. It gets a little convoluted but there are a lot of solid points in it:

http://www.bodybuilding.net/training...Military+Press

Ignore the term "military press" being higlighted . I was looking for another thread when I came accross that one.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.