^^^^I certainly agree with all that. But that guy in the last photo is ready to enter a natural contest. Optical illusion I doubt Frank Zane every looked anything like that first photo before he dieted down. But anyway it's the time frame that's in question. And I just don't see to many people with normal genetics and natural achieving that kind of thing. He would have had to bulk up some not matter what you think. And then he would have had to diet down really quick to a very low bf without losing much of that. I can see the cutting but I don't see the time being enough do both. But if people want to believe this is easy and you can go from dumpy to extraordinary in 12 weeks more power to you.

Personally I'm with Kane. He may not have had help but it looks like it. Either that or he is "talented" genetically for bbing.

I've got friends who don't look too much different than photo one, and there is no way I would tell them they'd get something like the after shot in 12 weeks.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.