Dido with Hrdgain and IronKitten, get the proper nutrients pre and post work out times.. You can shave the calories at other times. This may not be the norm, but I work out late. I try and get most of my calories in during the day, before my work out, and immediately after. After post work out, I take in minimal carbs and sugar.. Mainly protein shakes.
Seems like if I don't take in carbs closer to bed time I feel a lot less bloated and fat the next day. I just wake up feeling more lean each day. It's starting to show. No expert, just what's been working for me to keep weight off and gain some good mass. Like I said though I work out late.. I finish at 8, to 9pmish..... So after post its just protein till bed time for me.
Been working for me. 6' 1", Weighed 289, 13 months ago. Sitting on 204 right now, and building more lean mass. Fat in th abdomen is what I have left right now, so I'm with ya. Working on it myself and seeing improvements.
My 2 cents for whatever its worth, I'd aprrecaite feed back on the same subject.

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