What protein shake? Just any?

On the business of "retaining" water, in order for creatine to get into the muslce it's going to have to take some water along with it. That's part of it. While it increases fluid retention there is no scientific evidence that it changes fluid DISTRIBUTION. CEE even though it supposedly works without a transporter is still gonna take water along with it.

I think at first the hype with CEE was the idea it would actually FORCE more creatine into an already saturated muscle. Meaning barging it's way in against a concentration gradient. This obviously doesn't happen and can't happen. So if any advantage exists it's that CEE dissolves in water and thus doesn't have as much potential for pulling water out of the gut and into the stomach causing bloating that SOME people complain of on CM.

The study is interesting but I don't really think the behaviour of it "sitting" in an acid solution is really the point. I'm not aware that the makers ever claimed it was more stable in acid. The point is how fast it gets out of the stomach to be absorbed by the gut. I've heard there are more relevant studies on rate of apperance in blood and such but I've never seen them.

But as far as bloating in general with CM I've never had a problem with it EXCEPT when loading it way back when I first tried it. Obviously dumping such huge doses of it in the stomach could cause a whole lot of water to be pulled in where the CM just sits there and you cramp like crazy. If you don't have a problem with bloating via regular doses of CM then CM will probalby work just as good for you and the only advantage of CEE in that case is one of pure convienience.

The "loading part" can be pretty harsh with CM though. Good news is there is absolutely no real need to load it. Raise your hand if you don't load CM.....

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.