Well there are certain things that you simply dont want to use alone because of the side effects they carry. I am by no means an expert, but deca without test is a libido killer, and winstrol alone isnt going to produce noticable gains. Also of the "milder" substances you posted, I would say winstrol is the only one thats actually mild.

the dbol test stack is most likely your best bet, I dont believe either either of them convert to DHT, (but dont quote me on that). Definately do much more research before you start.

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