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Originally Posted by Eric3237
I've done 5x5's where where progressive sets became sets across, this became that, and so on, and THEN I was able to make tremendously long runs.
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Also, a build up in the first 4 weeks before you reach your max on Mon, can make all the difference in the world. That can really be a "deload" from the previous period but it gets the body slowly into the swing of what is to come.
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For sure. If we include moving from ramped sets to across, from 5's to 3's, back off and build up weeks (which definately act as deloads), etc., all as part of the overaching method itself, then this style of programming can be used for months and months on end. I certainly didn't mean to suggest that after 8 weeks, or when you miss a PR, you have to change the template.
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Originally Posted by Eric
But I understand what you are saying, Jeff and I'm not saying you didn't do a good job for you. But what happens for me and you and what is possible is two different things. So while some people will progress longer than others, I don't want to give them the mindset that enables them to give up too soon!
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Good point. I remember a new intermediate who used Starr's Intermediate template for about 6 months straight. I follwed his log on another board. I think he backed off once and switched one exercise the whole time.
I think it also has to do with how far along you are in the intermediate stages as well. When I first started Intermediate stuff I used Starr's program as written for about 10 weeks straight, PR's every week on all lifts, and the weights still felt fine when I hurt myself. Who knows how far I could've taken it without changing a thing? I couldn't imagine getting away with 10 weeks of uninterrupted progress now without making changes along the way.
Cheers,
Jeff