This is not to beat a dead horse but just to share my thoughts. I was reading Alwyn Cosgrove's blog post today and it reminded me of something. Somebody asked about their son being give a casein drink after workouts and wouldn't it be better to have whey.

Alwyn said sure whey is faster but he went on the make the point that the BIGGEST affect is something after the workout veruse nothing after the workout. It is a huge upgrade to just HAVE a shake, slow or fast after your workout. And that will make a much bigger impact than the upgrade to fast protein.

Right off the bat he also pointed out that most of the studies on post workout stuff are done after a FAST. Something I myself have been aware of and even taken pains to point out in the post only to forget the significance of it later on. It's a completely unrealistic scenario and it INFLATES the values given after the post workout drink. Having eaten plenty PERIOD throughout the day is more important in the long run...you can't deny that. But by the same token if, say you're working out first thing in the morning without anything in your stomach then the post workout suddenly becomes really important. But if you have something before hand, even if it's just a pre-workout shake with no really breakfast then the post workout is not going to have anywhere near as significant effect IN THE LONG TERM.

It really underscores, to me, what 0311 was saying about his own pre and post and my own point that PRE is more important and more significant in the long run. Not just pre-workout shakes but the overall status of your bodily fuel.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.