I don't know Eric. I think I'm just very frustrated with the whole back workout thing. Feels like I've been able to get all the other exercises down to a very good form, but when it comes time for the back, I'm either too weak to do the pull-ups, or I feel like I'm going to hurt myself on the rows. So instead of focusing on both, I thought I would just figure out what I'm doing wrong with the rows for now, build some strength back there, and then add the pull-ups back in down the road. Wish I had one of those assistance machines for the pull-ups. Are these the only 2 good options for back development? Only thing I can think of is waiting for my wife to get home and then have her assist me on the pull-ups, but that's not really a decent option since she's not consistent with getting home at a certain time.