Hmmm...men can generally see their abs at 10 to 12% bf if I remember correctly. I'm not talking washboard but visible abs. But some people will hold onto fat more in some areas even though they are at a fairly low percentage overall. BF% does not predict storage patterns. However, 10 to 12% were be a perfectly reasonable baseline with which to proceed.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.