thanx for all the info guys, i think im gana try this out
http://www.trueprotein.com/Product_D...id=23&pid=6784
its got the caffiene that i like in my no-explode, with the 2 carbs that you've said are good for pre-workout, and some creatiene. opinions on this product are welcome before i buy it, and if anyones taken it or something, let me know how it went.