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Old 11-30-2007, 11:43 AM
EricT EricT is offline
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That sounds good, IW. And don't get me wrong. I wasn't trying to cast blame on someone like your lifting buddy. A lot of times my comments are both specific and general, if you get my meaning. I've just noticed that people's main idea of having a lifting partner is about motivating each other. You know that whole thing. "You can do it. It's all you!". When, a lot of times that is the same thing as saying "Your form is completely gone, and you are close to injuring yourself but you can do it, it's all you!"

I've ran into this before and I've said it before. With deads you really want to avoid working past the point of fatigue, when form breaks down. This is why I hate the idea of ever doing them to "failure" as a matter of course and certainly never beyond failure. Realistically you're going to have days when you reach failure and also sometimes it is good to deadlift tired but a lot of pieces need to be in place before that. I think basically what I am saying is that all in all you want to step back from that line more often than you cross it.

That's one of my problems with this whole thing. The idea is that you will deadlift and squat heavy on the same day and so will build up a lot of strength and muscle. But that means that you will have a novice deadlifting TIRED without supervision. It's circular logic but imo and ime you need that "strength and muscle" built up before you start deadlfting tired in the first place. Not to mention the tensile strength of the connective tissues. At least it's only at 1x5 volume and that should be good to go for a while but people just need to be ready to step back when it feels right.

I don't think there was anything wrong with your logic. Trying to get the most out of it before you moved to lesser frequency or whatever. You do what you do and when that doesn't work you move on. Just hopefully we can avoid having a injury tell us when that time comes.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

Last edited by EricT; 11-30-2007 at 02:49 PM.
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