Diet is the key! Clen is garbage. It has too many side effects to mess with. It destrous your heart. I would run the winny and some t-3. T-3 is not for the beginner, but if followed up right no worries. Do your research before using t-3. Clen is not anabolic by any means, unless you take enough to kill you. Stay away from clen, but to each his own.