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Old 01-18-2008, 10:51 AM
EricT EricT is offline
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Hey hrdgain, doing good. Yeah, I've gotten some douchebag MD's too.

Let me play devil's advocate. Or at least balance the scales a bit.

Nothing much has changed since I was a kid. People complain about things until they NEED them. Then they forget they ever complained.

HGH is used by prescribtion. Manufactured by pharmaceutical companies for that purpose. Along with other steroids.

I notice nobody complains because it's illegal to sell prednisone on the street, lol. But if you'd ever needed some cheap old prednisone, you'd be thankfull it was there.

It's easier to be Tom Cruise when you have relatively few problems. That is not meant as any kind of aspersion toward you and the vit b thing, hrdgain, since I've read the vit b is closely linked to emotional health and can be affected by even marginal defenciencies. It's just that depression, for someone who's really had bad longterm clinical depression is not "being sad". You know what it's like a little bit so just imagine that it's possible to experience that x10 for years and years on end without a let up. Then ask yourself how you'd feel if a relatively cheap generic drug lifted you out of the hole you'd been in for years and helped you think rationally and deal with your problems. The arrogant asses who sit in judgement and coin terms like "prozac nation" defintely have a point sometimes but the answer is always in the middle. Anyone who always has to visit one fringe or another will never have any perspective. Anything can be overpresribed and I agree that is a huge problem. But for those who REALLY need it, don't judge.

NO offense to you guys but have you ever had a medication be the difference between living and dying for you? Or someone you love?

If you had a kid who had growing problems or puperty issues (not that I do) and that child was helped because a doctor was able to prescribe growth hormone (manufactured by a pharmaceutical comp.) you probably wouldn't complain about that. And I doubt you'd say, no, let me order some shit off the internet or buy it on the street and give that to the kid myself.

Or if you were really sick and a prednisone regimine made all the difference in your life...one of the CHEAPEST things you can get since it's available in generic for literally a few bucks.

Or chemotherapy.

And as far being depressed, it's easy to go all Tom Cruise about it until you've really experienced a long term debilating depression.

The fact is I don't appreciate some of the bullshit the pharmaceutical companies do. It ain't a perfect world. Of course they are profit driven. It's a profit driven world. But it's not a black a white world.

My son just had pneumonia. Fever of 107! Badly, acutely ill. Wen't to the doctor. Got some cultures. Some antibiotic....he's better. There was a time when his survival would not have been assured by a long shot. But nobody complains about it being illegal to get anibiotics without a scrip. Personally, I don't know how to extract the penicillin from some bread mold. Let alone the high tech targeted antibiotics we have today. So I was pretty happy they were available. They were WAY to expensive, even for generic, but I'd rather someone do it and make a profit then have a dead son. Not to be dramatic but that is the reality. People used to die everyday from shit we think nothing about.

Many peope on this country don't have any health insurance. Many of them can't afford the drugs they actually NEED. That's a big problem.

Hmmmm....we gladly go get our prescription filled when he have a sore throat or much worse but we complain that we can't get the things WE DON'T REALLY NEED. You ask me that's like standing in the cheese line complaining they don't hand out caviar.

If you really feel like drugs are evil then you shoud clean out your medicine cabinet. When you get athletes foot try one of those "alternative cures". Soak it in herbal tea or something.

I don't bother to type all this because I am personally offended by anything said only out of respect. To be honest sometimes I think people have begun to look at the world like a bad movie. Where there it is the good versus the evil and the good is all good and the evil is pure evil. Most of the time that is not the case. Most things are a mixed bag, IME.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

Last edited by EricT; 01-18-2008 at 11:24 AM.