I'm on board with Enorris here. If you need to be shredded for a short time here and there, that's one thing, but if you want permanent body recomp it's definitely very doable. You have to accept some fat here and there but not a lot. I think it comes down to what he said...short term goals versus a long term more permanent outcome. Bulking and cutting is more "effective" when you have "supplemental" help. There is always more than one way to skin a cat. But like him, I'm wondeing if this whole "clean bulking" thing is just another way of reffering to a similar thing.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.