i love how the MAJORITY of people put down ideas becuase they dont think that they work...i work out with bodybuilders i know plenty of stuff that works for them as well as me and instead of dissing something that sounds strange to you why do you give it a try...because it works...been doing a variation of flys to start my workouts and ive added 3 inches to my chest as well as finally filling it in....so dont try to tell me that what im saying isnt proper or isnt the right thing to do...IT FUCKING WORKS!!