you wont get a definate answer for this. you just have to try everything out yourself and see what works for you. different times work for different people. like wolf says he goes no less than three minutes and i try to not even get to 2. so you just ahve to try different stuff

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OH SHIT!!!! ITS THE COPS!!!!

You clearly don't know shit about fuck - KANE

You're not some sort of mystical creature that is immune to a training effect- KANE

I wish there was an entity that represented the term "injury" if it was, i would find it and beat the living shit out of it!!!!!

yes......i just type and press enter, i dont proofread i did enough of that in college. you know what i meant when i typed it anyway